Arundhati Roy andJohn Cusack i | NG S$ THAT CAN AND C AN N O T or we Essays and Conversations a Things That Can and CannotBe Said Things That Can and CannotBe Said Essays and Conversations Arundhati Roy and John Cusack 7) Haymarket Books Chicago,Illinois © 2016 Arundhati Royand John Cusack Published in2016by Haymarket Books P.O. Box180165, Chicago, IL60618 773-583-7884 www.haymarketbooks.org [email protected] ISBN: 978-1-60846-717-4 Tradedistribution: Inthe US,ConsortiumBookSales andDistribution,www.cbsd.com InCanada, PublishersGroupCanada,www.pgcbooks.ca Thisbookwaspublishedwiththe generoussupportofWallaceAction Fund and Lannan Foundation. CoverandinteriordesignbyRagina Johnson. Coverimage ofthe National Geospatial-IntelligenceAgency;Springfield,Virginia,courtesyTrevor Paglen; Metro Pictures, NewYork;Altman Siegel, San Francisco Photo Credits p.8: photobyOlevon Uexkiill,usedby permissionofthe photographer; p.30: August6,1963,APphotobyHorstFaas;p.34: November1967,AP photo; 46: photobyArundhatiRoy;p.49: Photo byJohn Cusack; p.56: Mapfrom PalestinianAcademic Societyforthe StudyofInternational Affairs, www.passia.org;p. 64:APphotobyAjit Solanki; p.68:photo byJohn Cusack; p. 70: photobyOle vonUexkiill;pp. 74-73: photoby Arundhati Roy: p.80: photobyOle vonUexkiill Conversations transcribed byKatherine Smith. Printedin Canadabyunionlabor. LibraryofCongressCataloging-in-Publicationdataisavailable. 10987654321 Things That Can and CannotBe Said John Cusack “We BroughtYou the Promise oftheFuture, 29 but Our TongueStammeredand Barked...” Arundhati Roy Things That Can and CannotBe Said (Continued) John Cusack WhatShall We Love? 79 Arundhati Roy “Yes, Virginia, ThereIs a Missile Gap” 97 John Cusack, DanielEllsberg,ArundhatiRoy, and EdwardSnowdenin Conversation Notes mu Index 8 John Cusack Things That Can and Cannot Be Said “ Every nation-state,by supposition,tends towardthe imperial: thatis the point.Through banks, armies, secret police, propaganda, courts andjails, treaties, treasuries,taxes, lawsandorders,mythsofcivil obedience, assumptionsofcivic virtue at the top... Still it should besaidthatofthe politicalleft, we expectsomething better. Andcorrectly. We put more trust inthose who show a measureofcompassion. We agree, conditionally butinstinctively, withthose who denounce the hideous social arrangementswhich makewarinevitable andhumanwantomnipresent; whichfoster corporate selfishness, panderto appetites ” anddisorder, waste the earth. —DanielBerrigan,from The Nightmare ofGod: The Book ofRevelation, 1983