The Magazine of the Native Tree Society Volume 3, Number 04, April 2013

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eNTS
The Magazine of the
Native Tree Society
Volume 3, Number 04,

April 2013
eNTS: The Magazine of the Native Tree Society – Volume 3, Number 04, April 2013

eNTS: The Magazine of the
Native Tree Society

The Native Tree Society and the
Eastern Native Tree Society
http://www.nativetreesociety.org
http://www.ents-bbs.org

Volume 3, Number 04, April 2013
ISSN 2166-4579

Mission Statement:

The Native Tree Society (NTS) is a cyberspace interest groups devoted to the documentation and celebration of
trees and forests of the eastern North America and around the world, through art, poetry, music, mythology, science,
medicine, wood crafts, and collecting research data for a variety of purposes. This is a discussion forum for people
who view trees and forests not just as a crop to be harvested, but also as something of value in their own right.
Membership in the Native Tree Society and its regional chapters is free and open to anyone with an interest in trees
living anywhere in the world.

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President—Will Blozan
Vice President—Lee Frelich
Executive Director—Robert T. Leverett
Webmaster—Edward Frank

Editorial Board, eNTS: The Magazine of the Native Tree Society:

Edward Frank, Editor-in-Chief
Robert T. Leverett, Associate Editor
Will Blozan, Associate Editor
Don C. Bragg, Associate Editor

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Magazine of Native Tree Society are solely responsible for its content.

COVER: Yellow Birch by Robert T. Leverett.

© 2013 Native Tree Society
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VOLUME 1, ISSUE 1 Bulletin of the Eastern Native Tree Society SUMMER 2006
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ABLE OF ONTENTS

I want to remind the readers of this magazine that the articles presented here are only a part, usually just the
beginning, of the discussions being held on our BBS at http://www.ents-bbs.org . The full discussion can be read by
clicking on the link embedded in the title of each individual article. - Edward Frank

Contents
Broad Brook MA ....................................................................................................................................................... 11
Re: Broad Brook MA ................................................................................................................................................ 12
Re: Fused redwoods ................................................................................................................................................... 13
Re: Max Height List - Tree of the Week: Pinus strobus ........................................................................................ 14
Re: Max Height List - Tree of the Week: Pinus strobus ........................................................................................ 14
Re: Max Height List - Tree of the Week: Pinus strobus ........................................................................................ 14
What should I look for in Marshall Forest, Rome, Georgia? ................................................................................ 14
Re: What should I look for in Marshall Forest, Rome, Georgia ........................................................................... 15
Re: Greensboro-The Grande/Bluffs Neighborhoods .............................................................................................. 15
Re: Metasequoia Glyptostroboides (Dawn Redwood) ............................................................................................ 16
Re: Chattooga River, SC ........................................................................................................................................... 16
Re: Chattooga River, SC ........................................................................................................................................... 17
Need help with Ulmus ID .......................................................................................................................................... 17
Re: Guilford Courthouse-Greensboro, NC ............................................................................................................. 20
Intro Bill Brighoff ...................................................................................................................................................... 20
Wikipedia Articles ..................................................................................................................................................... 21
Tree measurement.................................................................................................................................. 21
Tree height measurement ...................................................................................................................... 36
Tree girth measurement ......................................................................................................................... 48
Tree crown measurement....................................................................................................................... 56
Tree volume measurement ..................................................................................................................... 64
Re: Wikipedia Articles .............................................................................................................................................. 75
Re: Wikipedia Articles .............................................................................................................................................. 75
Re: Wikipedia Articles .............................................................................................................................................. 75
Re: Old Growth Forest .............................................................................................................................................. 76
Re: Fused redwoods ................................................................................................................................................... 76
Re: Fused redwoods ................................................................................................................................................... 78
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Re: Fused redwoods ................................................................................................................................................... 78
Wilmington, NC ......................................................................................................................................................... 79
Re: Photo Measuring for Trunk Modeling .............................................................................................................. 80
Re: Photo Measuring for Trunk Modeling .............................................................................................................. 81
Re: Photo Measuring for Trunk Modeling .............................................................................................................. 81
Magnolia Lake Bald Cypress, NJ ............................................................................................................................. 81
A very nice yellow birch, MA ................................................................................................................................... 82
Field Report, my first trip to the redwoods w/photos... .......................................................................................... 82
Re: Field Report, my first trip to the redwoods w/photos... ................................................................................... 83
Re: Field Report, my first trip to the redwoods w/photos... ................................................................................... 85
Re: Field Report, my first trip to the redwoods w/photos... ................................................................................... 85
Re: Field Report, my first trip to the redwoods w/photos... ................................................................................... 86
April 10 Premier of Shinrin-yoku (Forest Bathing) ............................................................................................... 86
Vernal Pool & Wood Frogs ....................................................................................................................................... 87
Dexter Elm, Malden, MA .......................................................................................................................................... 88
Re: Dexter Elm, Malden, MA ................................................................................................................................... 90
Re: Dexter Elm, Malden, MA ................................................................................................................................... 90
Re: Tall Freeman maple, OH ................................................................................................................................... 90
Airlie Gardens, Wilmington, NC .............................................................................................................................. 91
Re: Airlie Gardens, Wilmington............................................................................................................................... 92
Old Black Gum? (NY) ............................................................................................................................................... 95
Re: Old Black Gum? ................................................................................................................................................. 96
MYSTERY HIGH BOLE BARK CRACKING ...................................................................................................... 97
Re: MYSTERY HIGH BOLE BARK CRACKING ............................................................................................... 97
Re: MYSTERY HIGH BOLE BARK CRACKING ............................................................................................... 98
Hemlock Wooly Adelgid found at Cook Forest SP, PA .......................................................................................... 98
Re: Hemlock Wooly Adelgid found at Cook Forest SP, PA ................................................................................... 99
Re: Hemlock Wooly Adelgid found at Cook Forest SP, PA ................................................................................... 99
Re: Hemlock Wooly Adelgid found at Cook Forest SP, PA ................................................................................. 100
Help identifying 3 shrubs I found growing in Marshall Forest, GA ................................................................... 100
Re: Help identifying 3 shrubs I found growing in Marshall Forest, GA ............................................................ 101
Mass Champion Cottonwood .................................................................................................................................. 102
Re: Mass Champion Cottonwood ........................................................................................................................... 102
Re: Mass Champion Cottonwood ........................................................................................................................... 102
Re: Mass Champion Cottonwood ........................................................................................................................... 103
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Re: Mass Champion Cottonwood ........................................................................................................................... 103
Re: Mass Champion Cottonwood ........................................................................................................................... 103
Re: Mass Champion Cottonwood ........................................................................................................................... 104
Re: Mass Champion Cottonwood ........................................................................................................................... 104
Re: Mass Champion Cottonwood ........................................................................................................................... 104
Re: Mass Champion Cottonwood ........................................................................................................................... 105
Re: Mass Champion Cottonwood ........................................................................................................................... 105
Re: Mass Champion Cottonwood ........................................................................................................................... 105
Re: Mass Champion Cottonwood ........................................................................................................................... 106
Re: Mass Champion Cottonwood ........................................................................................................................... 106
Re: Mass Champion Cottonwood ........................................................................................................................... 106
Re: Mass Champion Cottonwood ........................................................................................................................... 107
Re: Mass Champion Cottonwood ........................................................................................................................... 107
Re: Mass Champion Cottonwood ........................................................................................................................... 107
Re: Mass Champion Cottonwood ........................................................................................................................... 108
Re: Mass Champion Cottonwood ........................................................................................................................... 108
Charlottesville Airport Oak, VA ............................................................................................................................ 109
Re: Charlottesville Airport Oak ............................................................................................................................. 110
Re: Charlottesville Airport Oak ............................................................................................................................. 110
"Natural forests" in Europe - a very short survey ............................................................................................... 111
Re: "Natural forests" in Europe - a very short survey ........................................................................................ 111
Re: "Natural forests" in Europe - a very short survey ........................................................................................ 112
AFA Tree Measuring Guidelines Working Group ............................................................................................... 112
Re: AFA Tree Measuring Guidelines Working Group ........................................................................................ 112
Re: Tree Humor ....................................................................................................................................................... 113
Re: Tall European trees .......................................................................................................................................... 113
Parkway scenes, VA ................................................................................................................................................ 115
Tree Maximums - Tree of the Week: Carolina Buckthorn .................................................................................. 115
Re: Max Height List - Tree of the Week: Carolina Buckthorn ........................................................................... 116
Re: Max Height List - Tree of the Week: Carolina Buckthorn ........................................................................... 117
Trapezoid Method Continued ................................................................................................................................ 117
Blue Ridge Parkway Tuliptree Search, VA ........................................................................................................... 118
Re: Blue Ridge Parkway Tuliptree Search, VA .................................................................................................... 119
Re: Blue Ridge Parkway Tuliptree Search, VA .................................................................................................... 120
Re: Blue Ridge Parkway Tuliptree Search, VA .................................................................................................... 120
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Re: Blue Ridge Parkway Tuliptree Search, VA .................................................................................................... 120
New Comparison Monocular vs Photo Meas ........................................................................................................ 121
Tree of the Week Spreadsheet and Guidelines...................................................................................................... 122
Return to Baxter Creek, GSMNP .......................................................................................................................... 123
Re: Return to Baxter Creek .................................................................................................................................... 124
Porters Creek Ramble, GSMNP ............................................................................................................................ 124
Re: Porters Creek Ramble ...................................................................................................................................... 126
Re: Porters Creek Ramble ...................................................................................................................................... 126
The "Official" Redwoods Topic ;-) ........................................................................................................................ 126
Earth Day at Cook Forest State Park .................................................................................................................... 129
Another future tree of the week: Rocky Mountain Douglas Fir .......................................................................... 130
Re: Another future tree of the week: Rocky Mountain Douglas ......................................................................... 130
Re: Another future tree of the week: Rocky Mountain Douglas ......................................................................... 130
Re: Another future tree of the week: Rocky Mountain Douglas ......................................................................... 131
Re: Where goats Come From ................................................................................................................................. 131
Re: Where goats Come From ................................................................................................................................. 131
Videos of Old-Growth Oak Forest on Holston Mountain, TN ............................................................................. 132
Alum Cave - GSMNP .............................................................................................................................................. 133
Re: Alum Cave - GSMNP ....................................................................................................................................... 136
Re: Alum Cave - GSMNP ....................................................................................................................................... 139
Re: Alum Cave - GSMNP ....................................................................................................................................... 140
Re: Alum Cave - GSMNP ....................................................................................................................................... 141
The Pontfadog Oak, Wales Has Fallen .................................................................................................................. 141
Re: The Pontfadog Oak, Wales Has Fallen ........................................................................................................... 143
A giant sequoia Wendell Flint would liked to have measured ............................................................................. 143
Biltmore Village, NC ............................................................................................................................................... 145
Queens Giant Tulip Poplar ..................................................................................................................................... 145
Re: Queens Giant Tulip Poplar .............................................................................................................................. 146
Re: Queens Giant Tulip Poplar .............................................................................................................................. 146
Re: Queens Giant Tulip Poplar .............................................................................................................................. 146
Pequannock Watershed old-growth ancient hemlocks ......................................................................................... 146
Tree Maximums - Tree of the Week: Bur Oak ..................................................................................................... 147
Re: Tree Maximums - Tree of the Week: Bur Oak .............................................................................................. 147
Re: Tree Maximums - Tree of the Week: Bur Oak .............................................................................................. 147
Tree of the Week: Bur Oak ..................................................................................................................................... 147
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Re: Tree Maximums - Tree of the Week: Bur Oak .............................................................................................. 148
Re: Tree Maximums - Tree of the Week: Bur Oak .............................................................................................. 148
Bonsai Experiment .................................................................................................................................................. 149
Thick VA Pine, Lake Louise, Weaverville ............................................................................................................. 150
Re: Thick VA Pine, Lake Louise, Weaverville ...................................................................................................... 151
Tree Maximums: Tree of the Week: Bigtooth aspen ............................................................................................ 151
Tree Maximums: Tree of the Week: Bigtooth Aspen ........................................................................................... 151
Re: Tree Maximums: Tree of the Week: Bigtooth aspen ..................................................................................... 151
Re: Tree Maximums: Tree of the Week: Bigtooth aspen ..................................................................................... 152
Re: Tree Maximums: Tree of the Week: Bigtooth aspen ..................................................................................... 152
Re: Tree Maximums: Tree of the Week: Bigtooth aspen ..................................................................................... 152
Auburn Oaks. ........................................................................................................................................................... 153
Catskill Reunion (NY) ............................................................................................................................................. 153
Re: Catskill Reunion ............................................................................................................................................... 157
Re: Catskill Reunion ............................................................................................................................................... 157
Tree Maximums - Tree of the Week: Common Hackberry ................................................................................. 158
Future Tree of the week: Pinus Ponderosa var. Scopulorum .............................................................................. 158
Re: Future Tree of the week: Pinus Ponderosa var. Scopulorum ....................................................................... 159
Potential National Champion Carolina hemlock D.O.A ...................................................................................... 159
Re: Potential National Champion Carolina hemlock D.O.A ............................................................................... 160
Re: Potential National Champion Carolina hemlock D.O.A ............................................................................... 160
BRPW White Pine Report ...................................................................................................................................... 161
Re: BRPW White Pine Report ............................................................................................................................... 161
Re: BRPW White Pine Report ............................................................................................................................... 162
Re: BRPW White Pine Report ............................................................................................................................... 162
Re: BRPW White Pine Report ............................................................................................................................... 162
Re: BRPW White Pine Report ............................................................................................................................... 162
Tree Maximums - Tree of the Week: Eastern White Pine ................................................................................... 163
Re: Max Height List - Tree of the Week: Pinus strobus ...................................................................................... 163
Re: Max Height List - Tree of the Week: Pinus strobus ...................................................................................... 163
Re: Max Height List - Tree of the Week: Pinus strobus ...................................................................................... 163
Re: Max Height List - Tree of the Week: Pinus strobus ...................................................................................... 164
Re: Max Height List - Tree of the Week: Pinus strobus ...................................................................................... 164
Widen, WV Yellow-poplar ...................................................................................................................................... 164
Re: Widen, WV Yellow-poplar ............................................................................................................................... 165
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Tree Maximums - Tree of the Week: Black Walnut ............................................................................................. 166
Re: Tree Maximums - Tree of the Week: Black Walnut ...................................................................................... 167
Re: Tree Maximums - Tree of the Week: Black Walnut ...................................................................................... 168
Re: Tree Maximums - Tree of the Week: Black Walnut ...................................................................................... 168
Re: Tree Maximums - Tree of the Week: Black Walnut ...................................................................................... 168
Re: Tree Maximums - Tree of the Week: Black Walnut ...................................................................................... 169
Boogerman Loop and "new" 180' white pine ....................................................................................................... 169
Re: Boogerman Loop and "new" 180' white pine ................................................................................................ 172
Re: Boogerman Loop and "new" 180' white pine ................................................................................................ 173
Re: Boogerman Loop and "new" 180' white pine ................................................................................................ 173
A look at a multi-stem silver maple ........................................................................................................................ 173
Re: A look at a multi-stem silver maple ................................................................................................................. 175
Re: A look at a multi-stem silver maple ................................................................................................................. 176
Moses Cone Memorial park, BRPW ...................................................................................................................... 176
Johnson Nature Preserve (OH) - 14 years after Tornado .................................................................................... 178
Re: Johnson Nature Preserve (OH) - 14 years after Tornado ............................................................................. 180
Re: Johnson Nature Preserve (OH) - 14 years after Tornado ............................................................................. 180
Trip Summary - GSMNP ........................................................................................................................................ 181
Eastern Red Cedar-Handsboro Ms ........................................................................................................................ 182
Re: Eastern Red Cedar-Handsboro Ms ................................................................................................................. 185
Re: Eastern Red Cedar-Handsboro Ms ................................................................................................................. 185
Bummer in Mohawk ................................................................................................................................................ 185
Re: Bummer in Mohawk ......................................................................................................................................... 186
Re: Bummer in Mohawk ......................................................................................................................................... 186
Re: Bummer in Mohawk ......................................................................................................................................... 186
Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail .................................................................................................................................... 186
Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail .................................................................................................................................... 187
Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail .................................................................................................................................... 187
Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail .................................................................................................................................... 188
Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail .................................................................................................................................... 188
Re: Mountains-to-Sea Trail .................................................................................................................................... 188
Measuring the Champ ............................................................................................................................................. 189
Re: Measuring the Champ ...................................................................................................................................... 189
Re: Measuring the Champ ...................................................................................................................................... 189
Something to mull over on doubles ........................................................................................................................ 189
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Re: Something to mull over on doubles ................................................................................................................. 191
Re: Something to mull over on doubles ................................................................................................................. 191
Re: Something to mull over on doubles ................................................................................................................. 192
Re: Something to mull over on doubles ................................................................................................................. 192
Re: Something to mull over on doubles ................................................................................................................. 192
Re: Something to mull over on doubles ................................................................................................................. 192
Re: Something to mull over on doubles ................................................................................................................. 193
Re: Something to mull over on doubles ................................................................................................................. 193
Re: Something to mull over on doubles ................................................................................................................. 195
Re: Something to mull over on doubles ................................................................................................................. 195
Re: Something to mull over on doubles ................................................................................................................. 195
Re: Something to mull over on doubles ................................................................................................................. 196
Re: Something to mull over on doubles ................................................................................................................. 197
Re: Something to mull over on doubles ................................................................................................................. 197
Re: Something to mull over on doubles ................................................................................................................. 198
Cloning Ancient Trees ............................................................................................................................................. 199
Re: Cloning Ancient Trees ...................................................................................................................................... 199
Re: Cloning Ancient Trees ...................................................................................................................................... 199
Re: Cloning Ancient Trees ...................................................................................................................................... 200
Re: Cloning Ancient Trees ...................................................................................................................................... 200
Re: Cloning Ancient Trees ...................................................................................................................................... 200
Re: Cloning Ancient Trees ...................................................................................................................................... 200
Re: Cloning Ancient Trees ...................................................................................................................................... 201
‘Shadow Biosphere’ theory gaining scientific support ......................................................................................... 201
Re: ‘Shadow Biosphere’ theory gaining scientific support .................................................................................. 201
Re: ‘Shadow Biosphere’ theory gaining scientific support .................................................................................. 202
Re: ‘Shadow Biosphere’ theory gaining scientific support .................................................................................. 202
Re: ‘Shadow Biosphere’ theory gaining scientific support .................................................................................. 202
Re: ‘Shadow Biosphere’ theory gaining scientific support .................................................................................. 202
Re: ‘Shadow Biosphere’ theory gaining scientific support .................................................................................. 202
Robinson State Park, MA ....................................................................................................................................... 203
Re: Robert Ridgway article from 1882 .................................................................................................................. 203
Re: Robert Ridgway article from 1882 .................................................................................................................. 204
Re: Robert Ridgway article from 1882 .................................................................................................................. 204
Re: Robert Ridgway article from 1882 .................................................................................................................. 204
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Re: Robert Ridgway article from 1882 .................................................................................................................. 205
Re: Robert Ridgway article from 1882 .................................................................................................................. 205
Candidate for Picea pungens - Colorado Blue Spruce ......................................................................................... 206
Re: Candidate for Picea pungens - Colorado Blue Spruce .................................................................................. 206
Re: Candidate for Picea pungens - Colorado Blue Spruce .................................................................................. 206
Re: Candidate for Picea pungens - Colorado Blue Spruce .................................................................................. 206
Persistence in finding the top .................................................................................................................................. 207
External Links: ........................................................................................................................................................ 209

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