INTERVIEWS OF WITNESSES BEFORE THE SELECT COMMITTEE ON THE EVENTS SURROUNDING THE 2012 TERRORIST ATTACK IN BENGHAZI - VOLUME 1

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by  Select Committee on the Events Surrounding the 2012 Terrorist Attack in Benghazi

INTERVIEWS OF WITNESSES
BEFORETHE
SELECT COMMITTEE ON
THE EVENTS SURROUNDING
THE 2012 TERRORIST
ATTACK IN BENGHAZI
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
ONE HUNDRED FOURTEENTH CONGRESS
SECOND SESSION
HELD IN WASHINGTON, DC, 2012–2016
VOLUME 1 OF 11
Printed for the use of the Select Committee on the Events Surrounding the
2012 Terrorist Attack in Benghazi
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HOUSE SELECT COMMITTEE ON BENGHAZI
TREY GOWDY, South Carolina, Chairman
LYNN WESTMORELAND, Georgia ELIJAH CUMMINGS, Maryland
JIM JORDAN, Ohio Ranking Minority Member
PETER ROSKAM, Illinois ADAM SMITH, Washington
MIKE POMPEO, Kansas ADAM SCHIFF, California
MARTHA ROBY, Alabama LINDA SA´NCHEZ, California
SUSAN BROOKS, Indiana TAMMY DUCKWORTH, Illinois
PROFESSIONAL STAFF
PHILIP G. KIKO, Staff Director and General Counsel
SUSANNE SACHSMAN GROOMS, Minority Staff Director
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PREFACE
This volume includes transcripts of interviews conducted before
the Oversight and Government Reform Committee of the House of
Representatives. The records of these interviews became records of
the Select Committee pursuant to H. Res. 567 (113th Congress)
and are included in the publication of witness interviews conducted
by the Select Committee for completeness of the record.
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C O N T E N T S
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Interview of Diplomatic Security Agent #19 ......................................................... 1
Interview of Charlene Lamb ................................................................................... 127
Interview of Special Assistant to Under Secretary Patrick Kennedy ................. 209
Interview of Gregory Nathan Hicks ....................................................................... 309
Interview of Raymond Douglas Maxwell ............................................................... 459
Interview of Scott Bultrowicz ................................................................................. 613
Interview of Eric Boswell ........................................................................................ 775
Interview of Elizabeth Dibble ................................................................................. 903
Interview of Elizabeth Jones .................................................................................. 1047
Interview of Lee Lohman ........................................................................................ 1217
Interview of William Roebuck ................................................................................ 1359
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INTERVIEW OF DIPLOMATIC SECURITY
AGENT #19
BEFORETHE
COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
ONEHUNDREDTWELFTHCONGRESS
SECONDSESSION
HELD IN WASHINGTON, DC, OCTOBER 9, 2012
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APPEARANCES
FOR THE COMMITTEE ON OVERSIGHT AND GOVERNMENT REFORM
THOMAS A. ALEXANDER, Senior Counsel
BRIEN A. BEATTIE, Professional Staff Member
SUSANNE SACHSMAN GROOMS, Minority Chief Counsel
CARLOS FELIPE URIARTE, Minority Counsel
FOR THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
JOSHUA R. BLUMENFELD, Deputy Assistant Secretary, Senate Affairs, Bureau of Legislative
Affairs
JOSHUA L. DOROSIN, Assistant Legal Adviser for Management, Office of the Legal Adviser
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Chairman Issa. Thank you for being here. You obviously are
aware of the nature of our investigation and some of the statements
that have been made on both sides. What we want to hear is your
observations, both Benghazi and Tripoli, and then even though they may
not ask in details, feel free to talk about other experiences you have
had or other anecdotal, because this investigation is not limited to
Libya. By definition, we are concerned about the safety throughout
the world of our men and women who represent us.
Mr. I appreciate it.
Chairman Issa. That is pretty much it. And the pros will ask
the questions.
Mr. Thank you.
Mr. Chaffetz. Do you want him to be sworn in or anything like
that?
Mr. Alexander. No swearing in. Did you have a question?
Mr.Chaffetz. Firstofall,Iwanttothankyouforyourservice.
A lot of good Americans serve overseas in difficult and tumultuous
situations. We had the tragic death of four Americans. Our
committee, the Oversight Committee, we just want to know about the
truth, what happened, and then eventually we want to also work towards
the reform part, because the other name of our committee is Oversight
and Government Reform. So we need a very candid, explicit, detailed
perspective of what happened on the ground in real time as you
personally saw it, including your impressions of what happened along
the way. But our goal is to understand it so we can make it better
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and make sure, as Congressman Issa said, that these types of situations
never, ever happen again.
So we have interviewed some folks that you have had interaction
with,butwewantyourpersonalperspectiveandyourexpertiseandwant,
need and expect your candid answers to the details of these questions.
Mr. Absolutely, sir. That is why I am here, is the
truth, candid answers and help in any way that I can.
Mr.Dorosin. Thephoneringingjustremindedme,weareprepared
to go on in a classified basis.
Chairman Issa. Everything is right in the room. However, the
assumption is, if you will excuse me for one second, is we will remain
at an unclassified level. If there is a discussion about going
classified, they will stop recording as we essentially debate the
merits of it, including, if necessary, discussion of why you think all
or part of if would be at that level. Then we would return to
unclassified, leaving that as a mark on a notebook to be picked up in
one single classified session. That is my hope, is that we figure out
everything that couldn't be said at unclassified and take it at the
end in all likelihood.
Mr. Chaffetz. This is Congressman Cummings, our ranking member
of the committee.
Chairman Issa. The good news, , is you don't have to worry
about any of that. It will be argued at that end of the table.
Mr. Dorosin. Thank you for that clarification, and to make sure
Mr. understands, if you think you need to get into classified