Stationary Engine - Issue 582 - September 2022

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Issue 582 September 2022
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buy back issues at shop.kelsey. co.uk or 01959 543524. seen at the Petworth Open Day, Sussex. Andrew Symons reviews Hobbs Farm
Engines.
12 Keighley Gas & Oil Engine
research 23 Oldest surviving Blackstone
Andrew Milestone searched for some history oil engine
www.stationary-engine-magazine.co.uk on his Keighley hot-tube gas engine. We take a look at the oldest surviving
Blackstone oil engine.
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EDITORIAL
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NEWS
R
ichard Crook has emailed two important items of
News, which I feel need to be passed on as soon as
possible, they are as follows:
Change of Club Meetings
First item is that The North West Stationary Engine Association
has had another change of meeting venue and day. The last one
at the British Legion was not suitable as all the world and his wife
kept wandering into our room. We are now meeting at the Old
School, Ulnes Walton Lane, Ulnes Walton, Leyland, PR26 8LT on
fourth Tuesday of the Month, except for December when, to avoid
Christmas, it will be on the third Tuesday, meeting from 7.30 pm.
Rallying in Europe
“My wife and I must be Anton’s longest-attending Britons; we have
been exhibiting at Nuenen since 1997, having missed only the last
two due to Covid-19 and the year before due to an operation and
so I couldn’t drive. This year we were determined to go, Bloody
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deal on later a phone call from one of her minions with profuse apologies.
STATIONARY Someone had cancelled the case!!!!. “Said” they had cancelled the
ENGINE case, hmm! I duly sent images of engines so as they could not grasp
the “stationary engine” thing. Result they came up with was what I
had already found out myself.
24 Kempton Park Steam 44 Ferro Engine This was two options from the Customs & Excise website. The
Museum Australian enthusiast Martin Westbrooke first one was to get an ATA Carnet via Customs & Excise website.
Members of the Sussex & Kent Weald adds a Ferro two-stroke engine to his Page is headed “Take Goods Temporarily out of the UK”. These
Stationary Engine Group attend the collection. can be obtained via the London Chamber of Commerce or a Local
Kempton Park Steam Museum Open Day. Chamber of Commerce. This will cost £325.00. A non-starter. The
46 Newby Hall Trac Fest
26 A Lister J engine finds a Report other option was to use a “Duplicate List”. This entails filling
new home Mike Milestone reports on the stationary out “Form C&E 1246” and making a list of engines taken, Serial
Martin Patto reports on his recently engines attending the Newby Hall Trac- numbers, if any and value. I printed the form from the website
acquired Lister J type engine that first Fest event. and then spent five days trying to contact the Helpline for help in
appeared in Stationary Engine back in filling the form. Over eight hours were spent hanging on phone
50 Engines at the Staplefield
September 2008. and no answer. The problem is that the two options are aimed at
Car Show
companies and not at a Hobby bloke taking something to display at
28 Anderson Engines Steve Rowland tells us about the engines
a show for no financial reward.
Merv Cloake takes a look at New at the Staplefield Car Show.
We set off for Nuenen via the Tunnel with car and trailer along
Zealand-built Anderson engines.
52 My first diesel engine with all I could put together to get us through including a letter
32 Mill Meece Rally Australian enthusiast Gary Thorne tells us kindly supplied by Bas Jamar (One of the Nuenen Rally organisers)
Barry Job reports on the Mill Meece 2022 about his first diesel engine, a Lister CS. inviting us to exhibit. Amazingly we were not checked either on
season opening event the way out of the country or indeed on our return. Something
54 Unknown Gas Engine
34 Bosch to Lucas magnetos Can you give this little gas engine a really needs to be sorted out to cater for the non-business person
– Part Three name? attending shows like Nuenen. It is not only a problem on this side
Eric Brain brings to a close his history of of the Channel, indeed Anton was saying that it was going to cost
Bosch to Lucas magnetos. 55 Ex-Cinema National diesel him a considerable amount of money for a Carnet to bring an
engine engine to exhibit at Great Dorset Steam Fair this year.
40 Highclere Castle Show Val Moore tells us about a National diesel Sorry it is a bit long-winded but I am sure you would, and fellow
Alan & Lynne Cullen report on the engine that powered a cinema in Northern
engine enthusiasts would want to know how things are with regards
engines exhibited at the Highclere Castle Ireland.
taking an engine or two over to mainland Europe. Incidently there
Show 2022.
56 H J Pugh & Co No Two were very few Britons exhibiting engines at Nuenen this year; it
43 Events Sale Report. was like back in the old days in 1997, when my wife and I started
attending the show”.
Patrick Knight
Coming Next Issue: Profile – Lee Say, Nuenen Engine Rally, Markie
Hobbs engines, Show Reports and much much more...
Front cover: This Lister H type engine, s/n 14829, was
supplied new on the 15th March 1916. Owned by Lister
enthusiast Lee Say, it was photographed by Philip Thornton-
STATIONARY ENGINE IS ALSO AVAILABLE DIGITALLY -
PLEASE VISIT WWW.POCKETMAGS.COM Evison at the Newby Hall Rally 2022.
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L e t t e r s
TO THE EDITOR
Feltham marine
engine
Dear Editor.
On seeing the
photo of a twin cylinder Feltham
marine engine in the August issue
of Stationary Engine it certainly
brought back memories of days
long ago when I had the pleasure
of visiting
the late John
Upton, an
avid collector
of old engine
in sizes up to
5hp. Among
the many
engines in
his collection
there was
a single
cylinder
Feltham,
the only
example of
that make
I have seen in all
the years I have been playing with
stationary engines.
Fred Cotton, by email.
Lister twin
engine
Dear Editor.
I
would like to say
congratulations to
Alan Harris for his
restoration of Lister
TK as described in
June edition No.
579. Since it started life
as a TK, i.e. kerosene
engine he should
refer to the article on
my TK in Stationary
Engine August 2017
to see the carburettor/
inlet manifold for these
engines. Fortunately,
I inherited mine in
better condition. See
Youtube: youtube.
com/watch?v=WxEcl-
MO96w .
Martin Westbrooke.
Buninyong,
Australia, by email.
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Farmers Stone Mill
Dear Editor.
In the July issue of
Stationary Engine, John Hili was
asking for information on ‘The
Farmers Stone Mill’, attached is an
advert produced by R A Lister &
Co for their Farmers Stone Mills
which appeared in the “Country
Gentleman’s Catalogue” of 1894.
They produced mills with stones from
13 to 36 inches diameter. The larger
ones, like John Hili’s, apparently
needed an eight to ten horsepower
engine and could produce up to
20 bushels of meal per hour. An
interesting feature of these mills is
that all sizes were originally provided
with an outrigger bearing to give
stability.
Similar stone mills were made by a
number of agricultural manufacturers
and sometimes appear on the rally
field in the UK, most often ones
made by Blackstone of Stamford.
Philip Swain, by email.
Dear Editor.
With reference to John
Hili’s request for information on his
Lister Farmers Stone Mill: I also
have a Lister stone mill. I think that
the production with Lister name in
the castings must have been in the
1930s when they were working with
Blackstone, as all the others I have
seen have been Blackstone. My mill
was in the stables at Eastor Castle by
Ledbury.
Robert Jackson, by email.
Stationary Engine binders
Dear Editor.
I have been an avid reader of
Stationary Engine magazine since its early days
and find it a valuable work of reference. Reading
through back issues gives me great pleasure; this
is made easier by the fact that I have them all in
successive year binders. These binders were at one
time promoted for sale in the magazine and though
having thoroughly searched, as I will be needing new
binders at the start of next year, I can no longer find
reference to them for sale or the price.
Are these excellent and simple to use binders still
available please and if so how can one obtain them?
Could this information be made available in the
magazine please, as I feel sure with the festive season
fast-approaching, they would make sought-after
Christmas presents for enginemen-readers. I enclose
a photo of some of my binders, systematically stored
in year order for easy reference.
Brian George, by email.
September 2022 Stationary Engine 5
Comments
Dear Editor.
With reference to Val Moore’s Collector’s Yard Up-Date on page 32 of the March issue (No 575), the
engine’s serial number 4VOHN ending in the letter N indicates that it was a ‘NAVVY’ engine; had the letter been an L it
would have been a Locomotive engine.
I enclose a photo, taken back in 1997 of a Brooke fully-enclosed engine, which might be of interest to fellow Stationary
Engine readers. I don’t have much in the way of information other than what I wrote on the back, it reads built 1912 –
Chatham Dockyard, September 14th 1997. The black dots on the engine are in fact painted bolt and stud heads; I have
never counted just how many were used in the engines’ construction.
Gus Ellis, Yealding, Hayes, Middlesex.
Multi Cylinder diesel
Hornsby Akroyd plate
engines
Dear Editor.
Dear Editor. This Hornsby Akroyd engine plate was acquired by a
Whilst ever mindful that
friend of mine. Ray Hooley kindly and swiftly found the original date
we should not deviate too far away from
and purchase of the engine it was attached to. Thank you Ray and my
this magazines’ core subject; I would,
very best regards.
nevertheless, like to comment on a subject
Apparently Hornsby-Akroyd No 1328, rated at 8hp, was sold on the
mentioned in the letter from Royce Limb in
2nd December 1895, to H.M.S. Malden, Henley, Frant, Tunbridge
issue No 580. My comments are not intended
Wells, via agents ‘Tewson & Strearfield’ of London. I have found from
as a criticism of Royce’s contribution,
Internet sites that Henty Melville Scott Malden was living at Henley
He states that the only diesel-powered
(Farm?), Frant, near Tunbridge Wells in around 1895 but so far as the
tanks of the day were the G. M. Detroit
engine goes, the trail’s gone cold.
two-stroke powered Shermans. However,
I would be amazed if the engine still exists but if anyone out there
in addition, both the British Valentine and
has any knowledge of the purchaser, or agent, we would be interested
Matilda from the same era derived their
to know.
power from diesel engines. The Valentine
Ian Skuse, by email.
employed a single A. E. C. (Associated
Equipment Company) A 190 diesel rated
at 131 bhp. to be fair, due to a shortage of
British-built engines, I must mention some
marques of Valentines also saw installation of
G. M. two-strokes. The Matilda would see a
requirement for more power; in the event and
bearing in mind the limit of available space
within the tank hull, a solution came with the
fitment of paired left and right hand-build
six-cylinder automotive-sized engines geared
together. These would be diesels, built by
A. E. C. and Leyland Motors Ltd. The A.
E. C. engines were designated A 183 and A
184: Leyland E 170 and E 171: In both cases
the lower number referred to the left hand
engine. (Compiled with the aid of wartime
notes of my late father.
David French, by email.
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Identity Assistance
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equests for information through ‘Identity & Assistance’ should be addressed to the Editor and must be accompanied by
at least two clear photographs (colour or black & white) or other illustration. State wherever possible bore and stroke
dimensions and any other sizes available. Suitable replies (preferably illustrated) will be published in the ‘Letters’ pages.
Readers requiring spares, handbooks etc, are advised to use our classified advertisement columns.
Mystery big engine
Jonathan Batchelor has emailed the
following “I wonder if you might like to
publish the photo below to see if anyone
can identify the engine; a large four-
cylinder diesel that used to drive the
processing plant for a small lead mine in
Western Australia.
We did try this before, a few years
back, but this is a better image than the
ones I provided then. It’s still there at
the former “Ragged Hills Mine”, in the
East Pilbara Region in the northwest of
Western Australia. Our friends who ran
the surrounding one-million acre cattle
station, have since retired to Perth but
remain curious as to the make of this
engine.
It would have been working there
in the 1950s, but given the whole
operation was low-key and run on was an engineer in the RN during WW2 and it is possible the engine might have
a shoestring of investment, almost and said this was a common feature come from there, although at that time
certainly was bought-in second-hand. of machinery made in Germany, as Australia was generally reliant on UK
The covers on the sides of the resources dwindled in the latter days of manufacturers.
crankcase were made out of plywood, the war. I assume this could also have Any ideas would be welcome - and
and seem to be original. My late father been the case for Japanese industry passed on to our WA mates.”
Uniflow Pump
John Young is seeking
information with regards to this
little Uniflow pump that was
donated by Northcot Brick to
my brother Malcolm whilst he
was employed by them as Plant
Electrical Engineer. The pump
was mounted high up on an
external wall and had not been
used during the time that any of
the employees had been working
for the company could recall.
(The longest serving employee
at this time having been with the
company for fifty years).
My brother and I collect stationary engines and associated driven-equipment and
show these at local shows. Incidentally, this pump and the Stuart Turner engine
shown were shown this year at the Internal Fire Museum of Power Crank-Up, but
were sadly missed by the photographer in the photos that appeared in the recent
issue of Stationary Engine.
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Recent Discovery
Belgian enthusiast Roland Servais has emailed seeking information on this recently discovered Lister L2 engine, serial number
38378, which as the photos show has suffered serious frost damage to the water jacket. The maker’s brass plate tells us
that it is a spec 75L rated at 5hp at 450 rpm.
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Petworth Engine Day
By Mark Tewkesbury
P
etworth Proud, Poor
‘
People… High Church,
Crooked Steeple’ …so the
saying goes. Well Petworth
Parish Church lost its magnificent
Spire many years ago and the
town‘s folk, then so dependent on
the agricultural work of the Estate,
are now more independent and
affluent. However the Leconfield
Estate is still very much in
existence and happily looking after
its responsibilities well.
One such place being the nearby
Coultershaw Heritage Site, now cared
for by the Trust set up to keep the
historic Beam Pump working. Over
the last few years, the site has extended
to include the nearby Wharf buildings Organiser Andy Skinner chats to visitors about his son’s 1923 Lister N type.
Petworth had its own Engine Agents, namely the Petworth Engineering Co. Ltd. The old shop still survives after becoming a 
motor garage, a Seed Merchants office, and is now an Antiques Market. (Source Facebook group Petworth Past.)
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