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WEINENKEL (/BLOGS/WALTER-EINENKEL) Blog (/blogs/Walter-Einenkel) Stream (/user/Walter Einenkel/stream) Groups (/user/Walter Einenkel/favblogs) Following ( One of Trump's advisers goes around wearing a Nazi collaborator medal (/stories/2017/2/13/1633269/-One- of-Trump-s-advisers-goes-around- wearing-a-Nazi-collaborator-medal) 348 Comments (348 New) 461 17342 (https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?url=http%3A%2F (http://www.dailykos.com %2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstory%2F2017%2F2%2F13%2F1633269%2F-One-of-Trump- /story/2017/2 s-advisers-goes-around-wearing-a-Nazi-collaborator-medal& By Walter Einenkel /13/1633269/-One- text=One+of+Trump%27s+advisers+goes+around+wearing+a+Nazi+collaborator+medal) (/user of-Trump-s-advisers- /Walter%20Einenkel) goes-around-wearing- a-Nazi-collaborator- 2017/02/13·11:41 medal#comments) attribution: Screengrab/Youtube Sebastian Gorka is, not unlike Trump, terrible RSS (/user Sebatian Gorka is the deputy assistant to President Trump. He’s a rabid anti-Islamic /Walter presence in the world. As Mic (https://mic.com/articles/168371/one-of-trumps- Einenkel/rss.xml) top-white-house-aides-wears-the-same-medal-worn-by- nazi-collaborators?utm_source=policymicTBLR&utm_medium=main& utm_campaign=social#.c0SJb7KLR) explains: REBLOGGED BY Recommended (/blogs /recommended) Gorka, who is of Hungarian descent, was a professor and Breitbart (https://mic.com/topic/breitbart)'s national security editor before joining the Trump team. A regular fixture (http://insider.foxnews.com TAGS /tag/sebastian-gorka) on Fox News, he also has ties to the anti-Muslim #Antisemitism (/news (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/sebastian-gorka-washington- /Antisemitism) experts-dc-anti-islam-ties)right (https://lobelog.com/gorkas-plan-to- defeat-terrorism-buy-guns-read-islamophobes/). Gorka was arrested #/BBrreeiittbbaarrtt) (/news (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/tripping/wp/2017/01/27 /trump-aide-was-among-record-numbers-taking-a-gun-through- #DonaldTrump (/news tsa-checkpoint-last-year/) in early 2016 for trying to take a gun through /DonaldTrump) airport security (charges were dropped (https://thinkprogress.org #Europe (/news /gorka-charge-dismissed-480115a83610#.vxvwf8k34) after six months /Europe) of good behavior as part of a plea deal). He recently suggested (http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/politics/kfile-gorka-on-fake- #Holocaust (/news news/) the Trump administration uses — and will continue to use — /Holocaust) the term "fake news" to describe media outlets that are critical of the #Nazi (/news/Nazi) president. #Recommended (/news /Recommended) Last week, Gorka was the talking face (http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/07/politics/kfile- gorka-on-fake-news/index.html) brought out to push propaganda after Trump chose #Trump (/news not to mention Jews or the Holocaust during his Holocaust Remembrance Day speech. /Trump) #Turkey (/news /Turkey) Sign This Petition Sign if you agree: #Gorka (/news/Gorka) Donald Trump is a #/bbaannnnoonn) (/news fascist #SebastianGorka (https://www.dailykos.com 1 of 55 02/14/2017 08:37 PM One of Trump's advisers goes around wearing a N... https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/13/1633... (/news /campaigns/petitions/sign-if-you- /SebastianGorka) Gorka replied by calling criticism of the agree-donald-trump-is-a-fascist) #whitesuprmeacy statement "asinine," arguing that it was Welcome back, Eric! (//wnheiwtessuprmeacy) motivated by the media's desire to attack Not Eric? Trump. Click here (https://actionnetwork.org "It's a Holocaust remembrance statement," /petitions/sign-if-you-agree-donald- Gorka said. "No, I'm not going to admit it. trump-is-a-fascist?clear_id=true& Share this Because it's asinine. It's absurd. You're referrer=one-of-trumps-advisers- article making a statement about the Holocaust. goes-around-wearing-a-nazi-collaborator- Of course it's about the Holocaust because that's what the statement's about. It's only medal&source=widget) reasonable to twist it if your objective is to . attack the President." (https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?url=http%3A%2F Comments %2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstory%2F2017%2F2%2F13%2GF1o6r3k3a2 i6s9 a%ls2oF -aO npero-opf-oTnruemntp o-f calling s-advisers-goes-around-wearinegv-ae-rNyathzii-ncogl l“afbaokrea ntoerw-ms”e dthaal&t isn’t a lie being text=One+of+Trump%27s+advisers+goes+around+wearingt+oal+dN bayz it+hceo llTarbuomrapto ard+mmeindiaslt)ration. LobeLog By signing this petition you will receive points out (https://lobelog.com/why-is-trump- periodic updates on offers and activism adviser-wearing-medal-of-nazi-collaborators/) opportunities from Daily Kos. You may that having Gorka of all people come out to uponlsiucyb s(hcrttibpe:/ /awt wanwy.d taimilyek. oHse.croem's /opurriv parciyv)a.cy talk about something related to the Holocaust Remembrance Day is “strange,” because Gorka seems to like to wear the uniform of a Sign Now Nazi collaborator. He has appeared in multiple photographs wearing the medal of a Hungarian group listed by the State Department as having collaborated with the Nazis during World War II. attribution: Screengrab/Youtube Inauguration night The medal is from the order vitézi rend (http://www.vitezirend.com/). The group has the distinction of being on a list of Nazi collaborators at the State Department (https://fam.state.gov/searchapps /viewer?format=html&query=vitezi&links=VITEZI& url=/FAM/09FAM /09FAM030207.html#M302_7_4_B_7).According to LobeLog (https://lobelog.com/why-is-trump-adviser- wearing-medal-of-nazi-collaborators/): Eva Balogh, founder of the news analysis blog Hungarian Spectrum (http://hungarianspectrum.org/) and former professor of Eastern European History at Yale University, confirmed to LobeLog the identity of attribution: Wiki Commons / Public D… the medal worn by Gorka. She said: The order of Vitezi Yes, the medal is of the “vitézi rend” established by Miklós Horthy in 1920. He, as a mere governor, didn’t have the privilege to ennoble his subjects as the king could do before 1918, and therefore the “knightly order” he established was a kind of compensation for him. Officers and even enlisted men of exceptional valor could become knights. Between 1920 and 1944 there were 23,000 such knights. The title was inheritable by the oldest son. I found information (https://billiongraves.com/grave /P%C3%A1l-Gorka/14820354#/) that makes it clear that Gorka’s father, Pál Gorka, used the title. However, since he was born in 1930 he couldn’t himself be the one “knighted.” So, most likely, it was Gorka’s grandfather who was the original recipient. Horthy would become the head of Hungary. (https://www.ushmm.org/information /press/press-releases/collaboration-and-complicity-during-the-holocaust) 2 of 55 02/14/2017 08:37 PM One of Trump's advisers goes around wearing a N... https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/13/1633... Unlike Poland, which was under German rule, Hungary was a willing ally of Nazi Germany. Hungary adopted antisemitic legislation emulating Germany’s Nuremberg Laws beginning in 1938. With its entry into the war in 1941, Hungary sent 100,000 Jewish men to forced labor, where 40,000 died. That same year, the Hungarian government deported at least 15,000 Jews to German-occupied Ukraine, where they were murdered. Although Hungary was initially resistant to mass deportations of its Jews, in early 1944 it agreed to do so. After the Germans occupied the country in March 1944, they sent a small SS detachment led by Adolf Eichmann to Budapest to work with a newly appointed prime minister and a more cooperative government. With the approval of Miklos Horthy, the Hungarian head of state, the Hungarian Ministry of the Interior, police, gendarmerie, and local civilian administrators carried out the deportations. In a matter of weeks, from May to early July, they forced 440,000 Jews into ghettos, stripped them of their possessions, and loaded them into trains. Some 425,000 were deported to Auschwitz-Birkenau. More than three-quarters of them were gassed on arrival, and additional tens of thousands died from disease, starvation, and harsh treatment. Seventy-five percent of Hungary’s Jews would be dead by the end of the Holocaust. So the man that started the group (https://books.google.com/books?id=o_p1CQAAQBAJ& lpg=PA546&ots=DBk3pA1RSI&dq=As%20regards%20the%20Jewish%20problem %2C%20I%20have%20been%20an%20anti- Semite%20throughout%20my%20life.%20I%20have%20never%20had%20contact%20w ith%20Jews.&pg=PA546#v=onepage&q=As%20regards%20the%20Jewish%20problem %2C%20I%20have%20been%20an%20anti- Semite%20throughout%20my%20life.%20I%20have%20never%20had%20contact%20w ith%20Jews.&f=false) that Gorky wants historic “heritage” ties to was a huge anti-Semite who collaborated in the murder of Jewish men, women, and children. (https://lobelog.com/why-is-trump-adviser-wearing-medal-of-nazi-collaborators/) “In post-World War II Hungary, no noble titles of any sort can be officially used,” said Balogh. “The ‘knightly order’ no longer officially exists. However, right-wing émigrés kept the order going abroad.” She later added, “Many supporters of the Horthy regime were enamored by the Nazis and Hitler and the ‘knights’ were especially so. Put it that way, after 1948 one wouldn’t have bragged about his father being a ‘vitéz.’ Lately, however, especially since 2010, it has become fashionable again to boast about such ‘illustrious’ ancestors.” Are they Nazis? No. Do they kind of want to maybe be Nazis? Possibly. Do people like Gorka and others want to re-imagine right-wing fascistic European history romantically? Yes. 348 Comments (348 New)Share 461 17342 (https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?url=http%3A%2F (http://www.dailykos.comthis %2Fwww.dailykos.com%2Fstory%2F2017%2F2%2F13%2F1633269%2F-One-of-Trump- /story/2017/2article s-advisers-goes-around-wearing-a-Nazi-collaborator-medal& /13/1633269/-One- text=One+of+Trump%27s+advisers+goes+around+wearing+a+Nazi+collaborator+medal) of-Trump-s-advisers- goes-around-wearing- a-Nazi-collaborator- medal#comments) 348 COMMENTS Comment Settings ( f ) Recommend ( r ) Reply ( p ) Parent ( o ) Open/Close ( j ) Next Unread ( k ) Prev Unread More hints... [new] (/user/Walter Einenkel) Walter Einenkel (/user/Walter Einenkel) Feb 13 · 11:41:16 AM (/comments/1633269/65502563#comment_65502563) Tip Jar 356 Recommend [new] (/user/Clio2) Clio2 (/user/Clio2) Feb 13 · 11:44:36 AM (/comments/1633269/65502632#comment_65502632) They aren’t Nazis? Quite sure about that? Recommended 101 times [new] (/user/koosah) koosah (/user/koosah)Clio2 Feb 13 · 11:51:25 AM (/comments/1633269/65502746#comment_65502746) 3 of 55 02/14/2017 08:37 PM One of Trump's advisers goes around wearing a N... https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/13/1633... To my mind, this is a “quacks like a duck” situation. These guys sure talk like Nazis. They sound like Nazis. They look like Nazis. They act like Nazis. I'm pretty comfortable calling them Nazis. Recommended 182 times [new] (/user/MikeTheLiberal) MikeTheLiberal (/user/MikeTheLiberal)koosah Feb 13 · 11:56:57 AM (/comments/1633269/65502833#comment_65502833) I’m fine with it too. Frikkin’ Nazis. Recommended 72 times [new] (/user/Janesaunt) Janesaunt (/user/Janesaunt)MikeTheLiberal Feb 13 · 12:10:28 PM (/comments/1633269/65503007#comment_65503007) Fucking Nazis! 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Recommended 21 times [new] (/user/gharlane) gharlane (/user/ghar...New Jersey Boy Feb 13 · 11:25:29 PM (/comments/1633269 /65509708#comment_65509708) FSM and Kos forgive me for doing this twice, but this one has the plates…. "I Hate Illinois Nazis" 27 Recommend [new] 4 of 55 02/14/2017 08:37 PM One of Trump's advisers goes around wearing a N... https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/13/1633... 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Yeah! 2 Recommend [new] (/user/linda loo) linda loo (/user/linda loo)New Jersey Boy Feb 14 · 01:27:53 PM (/comments/1633269 /65516984#comment_65516984) I'm with you Jake 2 Recommend [new] (/user/Cali Scribe) Cali Scribe (/user/Cal...linda loo Feb 14 · 01:40:06 PM (/comments/1633269 /65517149#comment_65517149) I’m not particular about the state — I hate Nazis no matter where they hail from. 8 Recommend [new] (/user/cmeegan) cmeegan (/user/cmeegan)Janesaunt Feb 14 · 12:29:53 PM (/comments/1633269/65516205#comment_65516205) To all the above: YES! They are Nazis! donnie is a Nazi, all his cabinet are Nazis, the list could go on…. 5 of 55 02/14/2017 08:37 PM One of Trump's advisers goes around wearing a N... https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/13/1633... 8 Recommend [new] (/user/Baileywick) Baileywick (/user/Baileywi...cmeegan Feb 14 · 02:55:42 PM (/comments/1633269 /65518220#comment_65518220) Now come on. You’re not REALLY going to say that a narcissistic German totalitarian who wants his followers to “beat the crap” out of protesters and throw anyone out of the country who doesn’t look like they could be one of his family would actually be a Nazi? Oh. He’s ALREADY DOING THAT!!!!!! 6 Recommend [new] (/user/grumpynerd) grumpynerd (/user/grumpynerd)koosah Feb 13 · 01:31:01 PM (/comments/1633269/65504021#comment_65504021) Hmm. I’m not so sure. Horthy himself was more of a reactionary and opportunist, I think, more like the Junker officers in the army of Nazi Germany, sometimes collaborating for his own reasons (recapture of historically Hungarian territory), other times working against them, at other times capitulating under the threat of force. There is no doubt he was a casual anti-Semite, but overall he seems to have been as uncooperative as he could be with the Final Solution without provoking a German reaction. To some degree this may have been borne of his conviction (as a former naval officer) that Nazi Germany was doomed to defeat because of its lack of sea power. As for the Order of Vitez, the nature of the order as a kind of military decoration means that it’s unlikely all members of the order were collaborators, although there’s no doubt when Horny abdicated the Arrow Cross Party would have used the order to its own advantage. What’s really unseemly is someone involved in American politics wearing a hereditary decoration of a foreign country. That’s profoundly anti-American. Recommended 45 times [new] (/user/susans) susans (/user/susans)grumpynerd Feb 13 · 01:36:03 PM (/comments/1633269/65504075#comment_65504075) What is a casual anti-Semite? Recommended 70 times [new] (/user/JBL55) JBL55 (/user/JBL55)susans Feb 13 · 01:41:11 PM (/comments/1633269/65504130#comment_65504130) One who wears khakis. Recommended 111 times [new] (/user/Astronut) Astronut (/user/Astronut)JBL55 Feb 13 · 02:22:04 PM (/comments/1633269 /65504597#comment_65504597) Love it! Recommended 18 times [new] (/user/jammahflyer) jammahflyer (/user/jamm...JBL55 Feb 13 · 04:13:23 PM (/comments/1633269 /65505661#comment_65505661) Best comment today. LOL Recommended 12 times [new] (/user/JBL55) 6 of 55 02/14/2017 08:37 PM One of Trump's advisers goes around wearing a N... https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/13/1633... JBL55 (/user/JBL55)jammahflyer Feb 14 · 07:41:13 AM (/comments/1633269 /65512142#comment_65512142) Aw, shucks. :-) 4 Recommend [new] (/user/gharlane) gharlane (/user/gharlane)JBL55 Feb 13 · 11:15:11 PM (/comments/1633269 /65509666#comment_65509666) And brown golf shirts? ;) 7 Recommend [new] (/user/thekidde) thekidde (/user/thek...gharlane Feb 14 · 11:19:18 AM (/comments/1633269 /65515191#comment_65515191) With their “clever” nickname embroidered over the pocket. 4 Recommend [new] (/user/ps2os2) ps2os2 (/user/ps2os2)JBL55 Feb 14 · 02:35:25 PM (/comments/1633269 /65517942#comment_65517942) And wears white aftern labor day. 0 Recommend [new] (/user/skyounkin) skyounkin (/user/skyounkin)susans Feb 13 · 01:57:39 PM (/comments/1633269/65504320#comment_65504320) One who is only anti-Semite on the weekends and during holocaust denial days….. Recommended 42 times [new] (/user/grumpynerd) grumpynerd (/user/grumpynerd)susans Feb 13 · 02:06:41 PM (/comments/1633269/65504438#comment_65504438) One who parrots what other people say, and ignores what they do, but it a little more careful about his own conduct (albeit often self-servingly so). Recommended 18 times [new] (/user/grumpynerd) grumpynerd (/user/grumpynerd)susans Feb 13 · 02:09:30 PM (/comments/1633269/65504473#comment_65504473) I should add that a lot of things that’d mark you out as depraved today were acceptable in polite company in the 30s: eugenics, Naziism, anti-semitism, racism, ethnic bigotry. I highly recommend Lord Macaulay’s essay on Machiavelli, which delves into this phenomenon of casually accepted vice, and why the distinction is more important than you might think at first. Recommended 16 times [new] (/user/stevemb) stevemb (/user/stevemb)susans Feb 13 · 02:59:44 PM (/comments/1633269/65505007#comment_65505007) One who wears white sheets after Labor Day. Recommended 47 times 7 of 55 02/14/2017 08:37 PM One of Trump's advisers goes around wearing a N... https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/13/1633... Thinking Dem (/user/Think...stevemb [new] (/user/Thinking Dem) Feb 14 · 12:55:29 PM (/comments/1633269 /65516535#comment_65516535) And where is Kathleen Turner’s housewife character when they show up? 0 Recommend [new] (/user/Australian2) Australian2 (/user/Australian2)susans Feb 13 · 09:46:18 PM (/comments/1633269/65509051#comment_65509051) Horthy never made any particular bones that he considered Hitler the lesser of two evils, when his choices were between Hitler and Stalin. He had little love for Nazism as a philosophy; he was quite happy to imprison the leadership of Hungary’s Nazi organization, the Arrow Cross Party, during the 1930s. He was certainly an anti-Semite, but he lived in an era when anti-Semitism was common and commonly accepted in polite society — after all, in the U.S., you had respected industrialists such as Henry Ford, explorers like Lindbergh and even politicians such as Louis McFadden (chair of the House Banking Committee, 1920-1931). What he was not was an exterminationist, as was shown by his angry letters demanding the cessation of deportation even after the Nazis had invaded and occupied Hungary in Operation Panzerfaust: Dear Sztójay (the Hungarian Prime Minister under German occupation): I was aware that the Government in the given forced situation has to take many steps that I do not consider correct, and for which I can not take responsibility. Among these matters is the handling of the Jewish question in a manner that does not correspond to the Hungarian mentality, Hungarian conditions, and, for the matter, Hungarian interests. It is clear to everyone that what among these were done by Germans or by the insistence of the Germans was not in my power to prevent, so in these matters I was forced into passivity. As such, I was not informed in advance, or I am not fully informed now, however, I have heard recently that in many cases in inhumaneness and brutality we exceeded the Germans. I demand that the handling of the Jewish affairs in the Ministry of Interior be taken out of the hands of Deputy Minister László Endre. Further more, László Baky's assignment to the management of the police forces should be terminated as soon as possible. 2 Recommend [new] (/user/llozano) llozano (/user/llozano)Australian2 Feb 14 · 12:32:09 PM (/comments/1633269 /65516235#comment_65516235) What did Lindbergh discover or explore. Please don’t say he discovered France. Lindbergh flew a plane with other’s technology and then used his fame to lead a very comfortable life afterward. 1 Recommend [new] (/user/bluesapphire48) bluesapphire48 (/use...llozano Feb 14 · 04:09:49 PM (/comments/1633269 /65519119#comment_65519119) His eldest son was kidnapped and brutally murdered, don’t forget. 0 Recommend [new] (/user/Mrsanders2) Mrsanders2 (/user/Mrsanders2)susans Feb 14 · 11:52:14 AM (/comments/1633269/65515688#comment_65515688) 8 of 55 02/14/2017 08:37 PM One of Trump's advisers goes around wearing a N... https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/13/1633... It is just like the saying regarding pornography, it is hard to define, but you know it when you see it! 2 Recommend [new] (/user/traveler501) traveler501 (/user/traveler501)susans Feb 14 · 11:53:22 AM (/comments/1633269/65515709#comment_65515709) Seriously? You don’t see a difference between a weasel who won’t stop you from rounding up Jews, and the rabid dog that savors the rounding up? He wasn’t making a moral statement, but a description of intent and behavior. 3 Recommend [new] (/user/susans) susans (/user/susans)traveler501 Feb 14 · 01:38:10 PM (/comments/1633269 /65517119#comment_65517119) I made no judgement, but only wanted to clarify the OP’s statement. I don’t understand you getting pissed off at me. 0 Recommend [new] (/user/Mustang3) Mustang3 (/user/Mustang3)susans Feb 14 · 12:22:10 PM (/comments/1633269/65516097#comment_65516097) One who only fires up his ovens on special days? 1 Recommend [new] (/user/LindaJ1485) LindaJ1485 (/user/LindaJ1485)susans Feb 14 · 03:58:50 PM (/comments/1633269/65518992#comment_65518992) One who doesn’t actually load the Jews into the trains. he just sort of casually watches it happen. 0 Recommend [new] (/user/bluehammer) bluehammer (/user/bluehammer)grumpynerd Feb 13 · 02:02:23 PM (/comments/1633269/65504378#comment_65504378) Here’s a quote from the “casual [sic] anti-Semite” Horthy: “As regards the Jewish problem, I have been an anti-Semite throughout my life. I have never had contact with Jews. I have considered it intolerable that here in Hungary everything, every factory, bank, large fortune, business, theatre, press, commerce, etc. should be in Jewish hands, and that the Jew should be the image reflected of Hungary, especially abroad.” lobelog.com/... (https://lobelog.com/why-is-trump-adviser-wearing- medal-of-nazi-collaborators/) It is profoundly wrong to wear such a symbol, period. He wears it because he knows who knows what it means, and he is proud of that meaning. Recommended 74 times [new] (/user/mbayrob) mbayrob (/user/mbayrob)grumpynerd Feb 13 · 02:03:24 PM (/comments/1633269/65504389#comment_65504389) I asked a Hungarian friend about this (see the comments below). Short version: back then, the medal was more aristocratic than anything else. Aristocratic Hungarians were reactionaries, and they mixed well with the Nazis. Today, the medal and costume has a different connotation. Either Gorka is an antisemite, or he doesn’t mind if people think he’s one. Recommended 46 times 9 of 55 02/14/2017 08:37 PM One of Trump's advisers goes around wearing a N... https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/2/13/1633... [new] (/user/Australian2) Australian2 (/user/Australian2)mbayrob Feb 13 · 09:30:41 PM (/comments/1633269/65508861#comment_65508861) Actually, the whole “Nazi Aristocrat” thing is mostly (not entirely) a bit of Hollywood history. The Nazis were far too ideological and populist for the aristocrats’ sake, not to mention that many of them were very much noveaux riches in their personal behaviour and tastes. 3 Recommend [new] (/user/GrannyG) GrannyG (/user/GrannyG)Australian2 Feb 14 · 12:29:16 PM (/comments/1633269 /65516200#comment_65516200) What it represents is more to the point than its actual meaning. They want those they are trying to reach “the other” to take it as a threat. These people, including the head one, are disgusting! I’d say un-American!! And they want “the other” to get their warning, “we are here and you’d best watch out”!! And those of us that care had best be ready to speak out and work especially hard in ‘18. Bye, bye trump followers in Congress. No backbone, no votes!! 2 Recommend [new] (/user/bluesapphire48) bluesapphire48 (/user/bluesapp...mbayrob Feb 14 · 04:11:32 PM (/comments/1633269/65519136#comment_65519136) It doesn’t matter what the symbol USED TO mean. If he’s wearing it now, we have to assume he believes in what it means NOW. 0 Recommend [new] (/user/liberaldregs) liberaldregs (/user/liberaldregs)grumpynerd Feb 13 · 03:48:56 PM (/comments/1633269/65505462#comment_65505462) If he tries that in Germany or France or Norway or Denmark or the Netherlands or various other places, “collaborator” isn’t a line item designation on the foreign ministry’s list of dubious groups. You go to jail for espousing it. (In Norway, they shot collaborators right through the head and left the bodies out, something that gets attention given that theirs is not a terribly violent culture.) Recommended 24 times [new] (/user/yellowdogintexas) yellowdogintexas (/user/yellow... liberaldregs Feb 13 · 04:28:41 PM (/comments/1633269/65505778#comment_65505778) Also the medal’s coat of arms includes the Cross of Lorraine which is the symbol of the French Resistance? WTF?? Recommended 3 times [new] (/user/Finnegan05) Finnegan05 (/user/Finnega...yellowdogintexas Feb 13 · 05:32:15 PM (/comments/1633269 /65506354#comment_65506354) It appears the medal was designed in the 1920s, so coincidence? Recommended 4 times [new] (/user/Australian2) Australian2 (/user/Australi...yellowdogintexas Feb 13 · 09:34:38 PM (/comments/1633269 /65508919#comment_65508919) It’s actually a “double cross”, as is the Cross of Lorraine. The medal’s design is that of the Hungarian Coat of Arms, which dates to the 15th century — the royal House of Arpad’s red-and-white bars on the left, 10 of 55 02/14/2017 08:37 PM
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