NFPA Technical Committee on Fire Department Apparatus

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NFPA Technical Committee on
Fire Department Apparatus

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1901/1906 First Draft Meeting Agenda
(Formerly known as ROP)
September 9-12, 2013
San Diego, CA

September 9, 2013

1. Meeting to Order at 8:00 am

2. Welcome and Opening Remarks

3. Introduction of Attendees

4. Approval of Meeting Minutes from March 21-23, 2011 in Indianapolis, IN

5. Review Purpose of Meeting and Schedule

6. NFPA Staff – New Process Overview

7. Old Business

8. New Business
a. Task Group Work
b. Finalize Recommendations

September 10, 2013

1. Meeting to Order at 8:00 am

2. Continue New Business
a. Begin NFPA 1906 Review
b. Task Group Reports to Technical Committee
c. Process Public Inputs (Attachment A)
d. Process First Revisions
September 11, 2013

1. Meeting to Order at 8:00 am

2. Moment of Silence - Patriot Day 9/11

3. Continue New Business
a. Complete NFPA 1906 Review
b. Task Group Reports to Technical Committee
c. Process Public Inputs (Attachment A)
d. Process First Revisions

4. Break for Lunch

5. Continue New Business
a. Begin NFPA 1901 Review
b. Task Group Reports to Technical Committee
c. Process Public Inputs (Attachment B)
d. Process First Revisions

September 12, 2013

1. Meeting to Order at 8:00 am

2. Continue New Business
a. Complete NFPA 1901 Review
b. Task Group Reports to Technical Committee
c. Process Public Inputs (Attachment B)
d. Process First Revisions

3. Closing Remarks

4. Adjourn Meeting at Close of Business
MEETING MINUTES
Standard for Automotive Fire Apparatus
21-23 March 2011
Embassy Suites, Downtown
Indianapolis, Indiana

21 March

The full committee meeting was opened by Chair Donald Frazeur at 08:30 on 21 March
with the introduction of members and guests followed by opening remarks by the Chair.
The chair briefed the committee on administrative and safety procedures.

2 new principle members and 2 alternate members were introduced to the committee.

The following committee members were in attendance:
Don Frazeur Roger Lackore John Terefinko
Elden Alexander Bill McCombs Stephen Wilde
Walter Caldwell Tom McCullough Bill Peters
John Carrier John McDonald Kirk Bradley
Peter Darley Allen Metheny Jim Currin
Ralph Dorio Tom Mettler Dan McKenzie
David Durstine Gary Pope Homer Robertson
David Haston Jim Salmi Mike Thorn
Tom Hillenbrand Mike Santilli Richard Tull
Jim Juneau Tom Stalnaker Bill Yohn
James Kelker Tom Stites Larry Stewart

The following Guests were in attendance:
Ken Willette Doug Kelly Robert Neitzel
Jason Darley Jim Garver Steve Yoder
Steve Swayze Greg Blanchat Perry Shatley
Bill Ballantine Jay Koogler Robert Manwaring
Jeff Aiken Dan Cimini Roy Groonwald
Dave Weng Neil Bjornstad Matt Stocker
Alan Saulsbury Mark Todd Dirk Stein

A moment of silence was held in honor of Bob Barraclough.

The Chair reviewed the meeting process including how task groups operate and how
anyone may participate in the work of the task groups.

The schedule for the 1906 document was reviewed. Discussion was help on the
possibility of shortening the next cycle time on 1906. This would allow the committee to
properly address crew carriers, off road vehicles and alternate seating positions.

The next committee meeting will be held in January of 2012 in conjunction with FDSOA.
At 09:30 the committee broke into task groups to work on admin, chassis, electrical,
function, pump and wildland

The 1911 and foam task groups will meet tomorrow.

22 March

Chair called the meeting to order at 08:00

The 1911 and Foam task groups began work on their respective documents.

At 10:00 the full committee reassembled to review the completed work of the task
groups.

Mr. Willette from NFPA addressed the group concerning the future vision of NFPA and
how this committee and it’s work fits into the overall goals of the NFPA. A Q&A
session followed discussing ideas for improving the NFPA standards processes.

Alan Saulsbury addressed the group concerning the memorial service for Bob
Barraclough tomorrow in Hoosier Hall in rooms 132-133.

The committee processed the admin and chassis proposals and had spirited discussions
about text that was omitted from the draft document but was included in the ROP
documents.

The full committee broke for lunch at 12:00 and resumed work at 13:00.

The committee processed electrical, foam, function, pump, wildland and 1911.

Work on proposals was finished at 16:35.

The Chair proposed that we enter cycle early on the next revision of 1906. Steve Wilde
proposed that we enter cycle early on the next revision of 1911.

In further discussions, it was decided to delay the revision of 1901 by 1 year and to enter
cycle early on 1906 so that they will both be revised at the same time. It was decided that
1911 should not enter cycle early.

The Chair will make this recommendation to the standards council.

Dan McKenzie was recognized for his 50 years in the fire service.

The Chair thanked the group for all their efforts and adjourned the meeting at 17:00.

The Chair met with the task group chairs after the full committee meeting was adjourned.
R/S

John McDonald
A/Secretary
ATTACHMENT A
National Fire Protection Association Report http://submittals.nfpa.org/TerraViewWeb/ContentFetcher?commentParams=(CommentType="P...
Public Input No. 32-NFPA 1906-2013 [ Global Input ]
Provide missing references [1901:...], particularally almost every section 20.2.1 through 21.7.2.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
There references are helpful, and for some reason this entire block of references is missing. There are some others missing in other parts of the
document, and will probably be additional identical sections after this revision cycle.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name:Thomas Stalnaker
Organization: Goshen Fire Company
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Sun Mar 17 18:54:10 EDT 2013
Copyright Assignment
I, Thomas Stalnaker, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed
Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this
Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright
assignment.
By checking this box I affirm that I am Thomas Stalnaker, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I
understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten
signature
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Public Input No. 57-NFPA 1906-2013 [ Sections 1.3.1, 1.3.2 ]
Sections 1.3.1, 1.3.2
1.3.1*
This standard shall apply to new fire apparatus that meet the following criteria:
(1) Rated at minimum 9000 gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR)
(2) Designed specifically for supporting wildland fire suppression operations
(3) Contracted for on or after July 1, 20122016
1.3.2
Nothing shall prevent the use of the standard prior to July 1, 20122016, if the purchaser and the contractor agree.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
New edition effective date.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name:Thomas Stalnaker
Organization: Goshen Fire Company
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Wed Mar 20 18:56:12 EDT 2013
Copyright Assignment
I, Thomas Stalnaker, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed
Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this
Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright
assignment.
By checking this box I affirm that I am Thomas Stalnaker, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I
understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten
signature
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Errata

NFPA 1906

Standard for Wildland Fire Apparatus

2012 Edition

Reference: 1.3.1 and Table 12.3.2.2
Errata No.: 1906-12-1

The Committee on Fire Department Apparatus notes the following errors in the 2012 edition of NFPA 1906, Standard for
Wildland Fire Apparatus.

1. Revise 1.3.1 to read as follows:

1.3.1* This standard shall apply to new fire apparatus that meet the following criteria:

(1) Rated at minimum 9000 10,001 lb gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR)
(2) Designed specifically for supporting wildland fire suppression operations
(3) Contracted for on or after July 1, 2012

2. Delete the top row in Table 12.3.2.2 as follows:

Table 12.3.2.2 Under-Vehicle Clearance
Chassis GWVR Ground Clearance
lb kg in. mm
5,000-10,000 2,200-4,500 9 230
10,001-15,000 4,501-7,000 12 300
15,001-20,000 7,001-9,000 13 330
>20,000 >9,000 15 380

Issue Date: August 28, 2012

(Note: Electronic products and pamphlet reprints may have this errata incorporated. For current information about the
NFPA Codes and Standards, including this errata, please see www.nfpa.org/codelist)
Copyright © 2012 All Rights Reserved
NATIONAL FIRE PROTECTION ASSOCIATION
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Public Input No. 1-NFPA 1906-2013 [ Section No. 2.2 ]
2.2 NFPA Publications.
National Fire Protection Association, 1 Batterymarch Park, Quincy, MA 02169-7471.
NFPA 1901, Standard for Automotive Fire Apparatus,2009 2016 edition.
NFPA 1963, Standard for Fire Hose Connections,2009 2015 edition.
Statement of Problem and Substantiation for Public Input
New edition dates.
Submitter Information Verification
Submitter Full Name:Thomas Stalnaker
Organization: Goshen Fire Company
Street Address:
City:
State:
Zip:
Submittal Date: Sat Mar 16 20:34:02 EDT 2013
Copyright Assignment
I, Thomas Stalnaker, hereby irrevocably grant and assign to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA) all and full rights in copyright in this Public Input (including both the Proposed
Change and the Statement of Problem and Substantiation). I understand and intend that I acquire no rights, including rights as a joint author, in any publication of the NFPA in which this
Public Input in this or another similar or derivative form is used. I hereby warrant that I am the author of this Public Input and that I have full power and authority to enter into this copyright
assignment.
By checking this box I affirm that I am Thomas Stalnaker, and I agree to be legally bound by the above Copyright Assignment and the terms and conditions contained therein. I
understand and intend that, by checking this box, I am creating an electronic signature that will, upon my submission of this form, have the same legal force and effect as a handwritten
signature
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