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TheNewsletter ofMedal Collectors ofAmerica Volume12Number 3 March2009 From the Editor 3 Board Members JohnW.Adams,President JohnSallay,VicePresident,[email protected] MCA Launches Medal Interviews BarryD.Tayman,Treasurer DavidT.Alexander,[email protected] As Oral History on Its Web Site RobertF.Fritsch,[email protected] 3 (byD.WayneJohnson) DavidMenchell,[email protected] ScottMiller,[email protected] IraRezak,[email protected] National Commemorative Medals are DonaldScarinci,[email protected] aCategory of United States Mint MichaelTurrini,[email protected] BenjaminWeiss,Webmaster Medals (byDonaldScarinci) 7 JohnW.Adams,Editor Ron Dutton Receives 2009 Saltus 99HighStreet,11th floor Award 9 (byDonaldScarinci) Boston,MA02110 [email protected] Eureka! The Horse’s Mouth BarryTayman,Treasurer 3115NestlingPineCourt (byKatieJaeger) 12 EllicottCity,MD21042 [email protected] Letters to the Editor 13 BenjaminWeiss,Webmaster [email protected] Website: medalcollectors.org Calendar EditorofCollectors’Guide, DickJohnson ([email protected]) Annual MeetingAugust7,2009Los Angeles Dues: $20.00/Year$35.00/2years What’s New on OurWebsite! CHECKOUTOURWEBSITEEVERYMONTH 1 2 From the Editor AlongsidetheentryforthedeFleurymedal, thecollectornotes: “gold—Robt L.Stuart.” As was Charles Bushnell was apassionatecollector notedinCOMITIAAMERICANAbyAdams and ofAmericana. Most ofus arefamiliarwiththeman Bentley,Fleuryrequestedthat,inadditiontothe andthe1882saleofhis monumental collectionvia silvermedal awardedbyCongress,healso wanteda anauctioncataloguewrittenbytheChapman specimeningold. Hehaddepositedmoneywith Brothers. Onlyreaders ofGeorgeKolbe’s January theengraver(DuVivier)tofundtherequest. salewill befamiliarwithanotherveryspecial Theauthors ofCOMITIAconcludedthat it Bushnell landmark. was veryunlikelythat Franklinhadcountenanceda Thefirst twostudies ofUnitedStates medals goldmedal. Now,alongcomes Bushnell’s notation wereauthoredbyJames Mease,M.D.(1834)and makingit highlylikely,inouropinion,that sucha Francis J.Fisher(1837). Bushnell clippedthese piecewas indeedmade. Thepoint is this: if twolistings out ofthecollections ofthe someoneoffers youadeFleuryingold,don’t raise Massachusetts Historical Society. Thenhebound youreyebrows but reachforyourwallet. them together,suitablyornamented,addingin pencil hisownholdings, thenames ofengravers and otheruseful information. MCA Launches Medal Interviews As Oral History on Its Web Site; Actual Voices of Medal Authorities Can Be Accessed by Anyone on Web MCAMEMBERS INVITEDTOCONDUCT OWNINTERVIEWS,GOALIS TOCOMPILE RESEARCHDATA,PRESERVEVOICES. BYD.WAYNEJOHNSON B oston(March2009)—Inwhat mayprovetobe oneofthemost important services oftheMedal Collectors ofAmerica,thenational collector organizationhas officiallylaunchedinterviews of prominent peopleinthemedal fieldandplacedthis audioonits website. Theconcept forsuchafeatureoriginated Aftermorethansixmonths planning– amongMCAboardmembers inthesummerof choosingaconferencecall serviceproviderand 2008.Boardmembers BobFritschandJohnSallay earlytesting–thefirst full-lengthinterviewhas favoredtheideaandagreedtopursueit further. beenconductedwithAlanM. Stahl,curator,author, “Theideageneratedimmediatesupport” andmedal organizationofficial.Hewas interviewed wroteSallayinanearlyreport.“It tookonanew byDickJohnson onNovember21st. urgencywiththerecent passingofafewvery prominent long-timecollectors andmedalists.” SallaycontactedMarkSchellphorst at the suggestionofJohnson. Mark–arecent MCA 3 member--is activeinthehigh-tech fieldand MCAis billedforonlytheactual timeofthe immediatelyknewwhat was needed.Heagreedto recording.Anaveragehourofsuchrecordedvoices sourceaconferenceservice.Afterathoroughsearch is about $6.MCAPresident JohnAdams andother heidentifiedAccuConferenceas theideal provider. boardmembers consideredthis afavorablecost to document suchvital datainthemedallicfield. Collectors, dealers, curators, artists, medal Author-CuratorAlan M.Stahl manufacturers, medal issuers andperhaps evenU.S. FirstToHaveBeen Interviewed. Mint personnel will beconsideredforinterviewing. All arepotential subjects toprovideinsight anddata Theinterviewerserves as theconference inthemedallicfieldthat might otherwisenot be moderator.Bothheandtheperson tobeinter- savedforpresent orfutureuse.Thegoal is toobtain viewedcall aphonenumberandlogontoMCA’s informationinwhichthepartyinterviewedhas exclusiveaccount.Bothparties’telephoneconver- intimateknowledge. sationis recordeddigitally.Themoderatorcontrols whenthevoicerecordingstarts andstops. AccuConferencehas aterm forthis process ofoneinterviewerandonepersoninterviewed. Theycall suchanexchange“ConferenceLite.” Oral history conference in Boston: MCA boardmemberJohnSallay(left)discussesplanningfortheprojectedrecordingof medalexpertswithMarkSchlepphorst(center),whowilladministertheprojectandwriterDickJohnson,an experiencedinterviewerof authoritiesinthepast,hasagreedtoconductseveralinterviewsforMCA. Thosepotential interviewees whoaresenior medal collection.Topical collectorinterests will be inage,orlong-timeactiveinthefield,will bethe exploredas well as historical andtechnical content, first tobeinterviewed,as Sallaysuggested. howmedals aremade,forexample. However,anyMCAmembermayconduct an Thelengthofaninterviewis immaterial.It interview,orsuggest someonetobeinterviewed. canrangefrom adozenquestions, answeredin,say, Thegoal is torecordanddocument every twentytothirtyminutes, tointerviews lastingmore aspect ofthemedallicfield,from artists’original thantwohours, perhaps evenmultipleinterviews of creations tothehousing,storingandarrangingofa 4 thesameauthority.Longinterviews, however,can best beofferedinshortersegments. This is incontrast tootherfields. For exampleart biographerPaul Cummings once interviewedmodernartist RoyGussow–he preparedonemedallicobject inourmedal field– foreight hours at onetimeinFebruary1968.This was fortheArchives ofAmericanArt,whosetapes arenowintheSmithsonianInstitution,availablefor scholarlystudy. Theadvantageoftheconferencecall recordingprogram is that therearenotapes ortape recorders tocontendwith.It is all digitallystored andplacedontheorganization’s website. MCA’s websiteis managedbyBenWeiss, BenWeiss,MCAWebmaster aretirededucator,whostates “this novel project will constituteanimportant newadditiontoour Forthepresent,Markretains all thesigned bodyofknowledgeoftheHistoryoftheMedallic releases. Eachintervieweesigns areleaseassigning Field.Theinternet is uniquelysuitedforthis project all rights toMCA.At sometimeinthefuturethese forit allows rapidandreadilyaccessible interviews will betranscribedandplacedinMCA disseminationofinformation.” archives forfutureresearchers. Forthepresent, Weiss is along-timemedal collectorwho however,anyonecanlistentotherecordingonthe has catalogedhis collectionandhas placedover400 web. illustrations anddataonhis ownweb site.It canbe Mark’s editingcantakeout unwanted foundatwww.historicalartmedals.com/ sounds–acough,orthedroppingofabook–oran MCA’s website–wheretheoral interviews extralongpause; it cannot addnewsound. Oreither areavailable–is full ofinformationforthemedal partycanchoosetoeliminateanunwanted collector.Basicinformationplus advanceddatafor statement. themedal specialist andall inattractive On thepages belowcanbefoundtheactual arrangement bywebmasterWeiss. questions askedofAlanStahl duringthis first TheMCAoral historyprogram is interview.Also addedis theinterviewer’s notes– administered,at least forits earlyphases, byMark whyheaskedaquestion,thetypeofquestion,or Schlepphorst.Hecoordinates all interviews, edits whyheomittedthat preparedquestion. thesound recordingandpasses thefinal versionto This is donewiththethought that it might Weiss whoplaces it onMCA’s website. serveas aguideforanyonewhois preparingforan interview. Preparingquestions inadvanceis mandatory.Theinterviewermust havealist preparedaheadoftime,it is difficult tothinkofa next questionwhilelisteningtoananswerthe intervieweeis giving. Anyattempt toimproviseduringthecall results inconversation,ratherthaninfact-gathering results. Forsomeonecompilingpotential questions, thinkofwhat informationyouwouldliketoknow, orwhat datatheperson possesses. Personal experi- ences areexcellent questions, as areobservations. Beas specificas possible.Youaregatheringfacts. 5 Don’t interject yourselftoofrequently.“I boardoftheNational SculptureSociety, am awareyou…”is permittedatimeortwo.But predominatelycomposedoffigurativesculptors, don’t trytoimpress theintervieweewithyour manyofwhom havepreparedmedallicart. knowledge.Rememberyouaregatheringhis As aninstructorofbothundergraduateand knowledge,his experiences. universitygraduatelevel,Stahl is accustomedto Ifyouwant toimpress theinterviewee,doit speakingwithout notes. Hehas writtenextensively withwell-researchedandwell-wordedquestions. forthirtyyears inthenumismaticfield,witheleven Usecorrect medallicterms andpronouncethem books and79 articles tohis credit. correctly. “It was anideal telephoneinterview,” Ifyouwouldliketoemulateanexperienced accordingtoJohnson. “Ididnot havetoprompt interviewer,afavoriteoftheauthor’s is James Alanat anytime,”Hecantalkat lengthonmost LiptonontheTVprogramInsidethe Actors Studio everysubject ofmedal interest.Werecordedan oncable’s Bravo.Stayawayfrom theCharlie hourandfiftyminutes. “It was adream tointerview Rose’s oranyofthe“gotcha”interviewers. We him.Iwouldliketodoasecondinterviewwith aregatheringfacts amongfriends, not providing him.” contentious entertainment. It is hopedthesamecanbeexperiencedby otherMCAmembers as theychoosesomemedal Therearesomeguidelines intelephone expert theywouldliketointerview.It is as easyas inter-viewing.Bothparties shouldbeinaquiet talkingonthetelephone. room,telephones pickupextraneous noise.Use Rememberthis: Everyoneis anexpert on landlines not cell phones. Don’t worryabout themselves andtheirworkortheircollecting.All misstatements orlongpauses; thesecanbeedited youhavetodois ask them totell you. out. Now youareinfor araretreat.TheStahl ThechoiceofAlanM. Stahl forthefirst interview is infour segments of about 30minutes interviewwas morethanbeneficial.Hehas been each.Thequestionsarelistedbelow.Kindlylogon activeinthemedallicfieldsince1982whenhewas toMCAwebsiteat:www.medalcollectors.org/ namedcuratorofmedals inadditiontobeingnamed clickonOralHistory thenlistentoaudioof curatorofmedieval numismatics at NewYork’s AlanStahl’s four interviews withauthenticand AmericanNumismaticSociety. knowledgeablereplies. As amedalenthusiast I Heservedas president forfouryears of learnedalot fromhis comments, Iamcertainyou themedallicartists group,AmericanMedallic will too. Sculptures Association,andlaterwas namedtothe __________________________________________________________________________________ Tips ForConductingInterviews Belowaretwositeswhichcanbeusefultoaid anyoneconductinginterviews.ThefirstisfromtheRegional OralHistoryOfficeattheUCBerkeleyLibrary.Clickon: http://bancroft.berkeley.edu/ROHO/resources/rohotips.html Thesecondistelephoneconferencecalltips compiledforconferencecallers.Itisalittlemoregeneral andsomewhatmorelengthy.ItsGeneralCallEtiquetteis excellent.You’llfinditat: http://www.fullcirc.com/community/telephon efacilitation.html 6 National Commemorative availableinasinglebookupdatedtothe present. Medals are a Category of United Turnerrequires anact ofCongress to States Mint Medals (ByDonaldScarinci) giveamedal thestatus ofa national commemorativemedal. Swogerdoes not,as Thepublicationoftwobooks onthe longas it was madeafter1874. Turner requires subject ofnational commemorativemedals that themedal bestruckat theUnitedStates (NCM),separatelyresearchedandwrittenby Mint,not merelydesignedorengravedthere. different authors without knowledgeofthe Swogerdoes not,it neednot bestruckat the other,has createdsomeconfusionanda U.S.Mint but it must beengravedordesigned misconceptionthat needs tobeclarified. The byU.S.Mint employees. Furthermore,Turner twobooks presentthreedifferent numbering requires that a national commemorativemedal systems andtherearesomedifferences inthe must belistedandsoldas suchbythemedals’ medals includedandexcludedinboth. The sponsororat theevent forwhichit was made central misconceptionis that thesemedals can but “not overthecounterat anyUS Mint becatalogedseparatelyandindependentlyfrom facility. Swogerdoes not,but Swogercreates thebodyofUnitedStates Mint Medals, which otherlimitations tothedefinitionof is what theyare.i “commemorative.”ii Bothbooks,National Commemorative Swogercites toalawpassedin1874iii Medals of theUnitedStates Mint,byJohnT. givingauthoritytostrikemedals “ofanational Dean,publishedprivately,2008andNational character”totheSuperintendent oftheU.S. CommemorativeMedals of theUnitedStates Mint,subject onlytotheapproval ofthe Mint Since1873 byWilliam Swoger,published DirectoroftheMint.ivSwogerinterprets this privately,2008areexcellent pieces of lawas sufficient toconfernational status to scholarshipandcontainimportant information commemorativemedals that areproducedat about thiscategoryofUnitedStates Mint thediscretionoftheMint Directorand medals SecretaryoftheTreasurywithout anact of Thetwobooks substantiallyconfirm Congress. Healso uses this lawtogrant eachother’s researchandcontainconsistent support U.S.Mint status formedals not struck informationwithrespect tomintagefigures, the at theU.S.Mint. circumstances ofeachmedals issuance,and Swogerthen defines a national most ofthedetails about eachmedal. commemorativemedal as onethat marks an However,wherethetwobooks differis far important current event orsignificant morefundamental andhighlights thecore anniversaryofanevent ofnational problem: Exactlywhat arenational consequencethat is “struckforalimitedtime.” commemorativemedals? Heuses this definitiontoselect themedals he DeanandSwogerdonot agreeonthe includes, but he admits tobendinghis definitionofanational commemorativemedal. definitioninthelatersections ofhis book. Deandefers toTurnerforhis definition. His Theselatersectionsincludemedals tohelp bookisintendedas anupdateofTurner’s raisemoneyforcommemorativeevents, research. Turner’s informationwas previously maintainmemorials; ortohelpraisemoneyfor availableonlyinarticles from theNumismatist. privateorganizations.v Thanks toDeanthis informationis now Thefirst medal listedbyTurneris the 1940Greenwich,Connecticut Tercentennial 7 medal. Thefirst medal listedinSwoger’s book categoryforthesemedals. Julian’s categoryof is the1875Centennial oftheBattleof commemorativemedal (CM)shouldcontinueto Lexington,whichis listedinJulianas CN-24. beusedtocatalogthoselate19thCenturyand Swogeralso lists the1875Mecklenburg 20thcenturycommemorativemedals that donot Declaration,CN-28,the1876NevadaDollar, havespecific congressional enabling CN-36; the1882FoundingofPennsylvania, legislation. CN-40&CN-41andotherlate19th Century Swogeris correct toabandonTurners andearly20th Centurymedals issuedbythe artificial startingpoint of1940for national U.S.Mint without specificCongressional commemorativemedals. Turnerbegins his list enablinglegislation. of“national commemorativemedals”withthe Swoger’s applicationofthe1874lawto 1940Greenwich,Connecticut Tercentennial thedefinitionofanational commemorative because,accordingtoDean,heviewedthese medalcreates aconfusingandunsettled medals as “fillingthegapforspecialty distinctionbetweenthis newcategoryofthe collectors”followingthediscontinuationof the nationalcommemorativemedalandthe UnitedStates commemorativecoinageprogram existingcategorybyJulianof commemorative in1954. Intheprefacetohis book,Swoger medals. IfSwoger’s logicwerefolloweda relates aconversationhehadwith Turner persuasiveargument canbemadeformany pointingout that thereareU.S.Mint made othercommemorativemedals listedinJulianto commemorativemedals authorizedbyspecific receivethedesignationofnational acts ofCongress beforethe1940Greenwich, commemorativemedal. Thedistinction Connecticut issueandthat Turnersaidhewas betweenthetwocategories woulddependona simplyunawareofthem. subjectivedeterminationwhetheramedal made Whateverreason Turnerhadfor after1874without specificCongressional choosingtobeginthecategoryofnational enablinglegislationis ‘Commemorative”or commemorativemedal in1940,that reason not.Thereis simplynoneedforthis appears tobearbitraryandunjustifiable. If duplication,debateandconfusion. Turner’s thinkingweretobefollowed, ThelogicofTurners positionthat a approximately11medal types from the1884 national commemorativemedal (NCM) World’s Industrial &CottonCentennial requires aspecificact ofCongress tobe Expositiontothe1925NorseAmerican categorizedas suchis farmorecompelling. Centennial whichotherwisemeet Turners core Thefact that Congress passes alawwitha criteriaas anational commemorativemedal majorityvoteofits members andthat lawis wouldnot becatalogedas such.vi signedbythePresident oftheUnitedStates, is Swogeris also correct toinclude as defactoproofofthesubject’s “National national commemorativemedalsthose medals character” Ifthemedal alsocommemorates engravedorcoordinatedbytheUnitedStates persons places orthings, thenthemedal should Mintpersonnel pursuant totheterms ofthe becategorizedas anationalcommemorative Congressional enabling legislationeventhough medal (NCM). thesemedals were struckat aprivatemint. Clearlythetrendat theU.S.Mint for viiGovernment canandoftenshouldsubcontract thelast halfcenturyat least has beenagainst its worktoprivateentities that canperform producingmedals without congressional morecost effectively orproduceaproduct that authority.Thenational commemorativemedal government might not bebest equippedto (NCM)is a legitimateandnecessarynew produce. Well patinated,highreliefmedals 8 lendthemselves especiallytosubcontractingby Turner,DeanandSwoger,it shouldbepossible theMint. Theyarenoless thanfull U.S.Mint tocreateasimple,Julianicnumberingsystem products becausetheyaresubcontractedany beginningwithNCM-1. morethantheprintedleaflets andpackaging Auctioncatalogers, gradingservices theyaresoldwith. andwriters shouldnot beencouragedtouse Whilerevisions andupdates arealways anyofthecurrent numberingsystems for needed,it is unnecessarytorevisit Julian’s national commemorativemedals. TheMedal categories andJulian’s numberingsystem. Collectors ofAmericaneeds toact quicklyto Theyhavestoodthetest oftimeandmany encourageandeven activelycreateand collectors areinvestedinthis system. What is coordinatearesearchgroupchargedwiththe necessaryis acomprehensivecatalogofU.S. missiontodefinethenational commemorative Mint medals beginningwhereJulian stops, medal; toagreeonthemedals that shouldbe about 1893.viii includedinthat category; andtoagreeon Whenthe20thcenturycatalogis numbers forthem. Adialogalso needs to prepared,Julian’s categories andnumbering beginontheparent project—AComprehensive system shouldbepreservedandexpanded. In Catalogof Medals of theUnitedStates Mint, additiontonational commemorativemedals Volume2. (NCM)other newcategories will benecessary such as acategoryforCongressional Gold (seeendnotespage20) Medals (CG),Mint Director medals (MD), Secretaryof theTreasurymedals (ST),and [This seems likean eminentlyworthy national series 1—First Spousemedals (NS1), project. Whois willingtohelp out?—Ed.] allowingforotherNational Series medals inthe futureas Congress maydetermine. Thereis acategoryofCommemorative Ron Dutton Receives 2009 Saltus Medals (CM)createdbyJulianandthat should Award (ByDonaldScarinci) becontinuedalongwithmanyotherofhis categories—Presidential Medals (PR), RonDutton,asculptorandprolific Personal Medals (PE),etc. Ifamedal is medalist intheUnitedKingdom was awarded commemorativebut it is not authorizedbyan theprestigious J.SanfordSaltus awardin act ofcongress thenit shouldbeplacedin FebruarybytheAmericanNumismaticSociety Julian’s categoryas acommemorativemedal forhis lifetimeofachievement intheart ofthe (CM)andsequentiallynumberedas suchwith medal. its earlierstruckbrethren. Duttonbecamethe53rd artist toreceive Thesubject ofanumberingsystem for theawardsinceit was createdin1919and UnitedStates Mint medals is not as dauntingas awardedthat yeartoJames Earl Frazer. Dutton thetask aheadfortheresearchers workingon joins ashort list ofthemost important medallic theso-calleddollarupdate. UnitedStates Mint artists intheworld,withonly14other products aredefinableandsubject topublic international artists receivingtheawardsince disclosurebylaw. Thereis reason tobelieve thescopeoftheaward was expanded that thecurrent DirectoroftheUnitedStates internationallyin1983. Mint will welcomeandevenassist ina catalogingproject. Withtheextensiveresearch alreadyconductedbythreefinenumismatists, 9 AppleTreeLadder Duttonis apioneerofcontemporaryart medals intheUnitedKingdom. Heproduced Oneofthemedals foundinJohnCook’s his first medals in1974. Theseearlymedals personal collection,recentlysoldbyMashikoat wereexperiments inreliefandexperimentation theRack&HamperGalleryinNewYorkCity, withsculptural landscapes. Yet,evenwith was Dutton’s SheepStorm,(bronze100mm ed. thesefirst medals, RonDutton‘s medals were 20,1982). LikeJohnCook’s ownwork, the handheldpoetryinbronzeexpressing artist’s process is apparent onthis medal as the otherwisesimpleimages inabstract and distinctions betweentheobject ofcreationand profoundways. thecreatedobject blur. Thesheepandthe TerranceMullaly,animportant London storm form thelandscapeandprovokean art critic,pickedRonDutton’sAppleTree emotional responsefrom theviewer. Ladder (unifacebronze,78mm,ed.20,1975) as oneofthetwenty(20)best medals ofthe secondhalfofthetwentiethcentury. Hesaid, “Thepoets ofEnglandareamongherglories, andinanearlywork,hisAppleTreeLadder, Duttongaveus amedal that stands withtheir achievement."--TheMedal,no.36,2000 From 1961to1984,RonDuttontaught sculptureat SunderlandandWolverhampton Colleges. Hehas beenafull timeartist since 1985andhas exhibitedextensivelyinsoloand groupexhibitions intheUKandabroad. He was oneofthesmall groupofinternational artists that JohnCookbrought totheimportant PennsylvaniaStateUniversitymedallicart workshop in1983whichwasamilestonefor thedevelopment oftheAmericanart medal. SheepStorm,obverse 10

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