2 MARLO ALEXANDRA BURKS Back to School DAVID MARKS SHRIBMAN Inner Workings 2 0 2 IAN SMILLIE Charity Case JOHN LORINC A Short Stretch on a Long Street r e b m e Literary Review of Canada t p e S A j o u r n A l o f i d e A S “A warmhearted and unconventional love story that’s also an opportunity for a gentle encounter with some of life’s fundamental questions ... A wise reminder that the journey is really the point.” —Shelf Awareness “Lambert explodes stereotypes and taboos. I’m always partial to a writer who takes risks, who dares to find beauty in the blemishes of our souls and our desires.” —Heather O’Neill, author of When We Lost Our Heads Available at better bookstores everywhere september 2022 volume 30 number 7 a journal oF ideas First Word politicking around toWn La moutarde me monte au nez The Ramble Here It Once Stood Kyle Wyatt Memories from the PMO A pink hotel, a boutique, 3 J. L. Granatstein and a swinging hot spot 18 Amanda Perry Furthermore 31 Party Girls Heather Menzies, Wayne Francis, Any given campaign Bright Yonge Things David Murray, Emily Mernin, Jason Blake Brooke Jeffrey Where east meets west 5 19 John Lorinc the public square 33 complexities As We Know It The Tech of the Town Uncertain Twilight For charity’s an argument You think you’re so smart Our revels are now ended Ian Smillie Frances Bula Gilbert Reid 7 36 21 Heroic and Imperfect Efforts literature Under the Hood The battle to be heard Vaclav Smil sets out to explain Slings and Arrows Elaine Coburn David Marks Shribman Two critics take aim 10 23 Keith Garebian Miracle Grow 38 notebook Quebec is doing just fine Snow Globe Graham Fraser Disrupted Rhythms Lisa Moore’s latest 12 September has changed Brad Dunne in a nutshell Marlo Alexandra Burks 41 25 Mix and Match This Unfolding Epoch compelling people Every movement reveals us A novel by Jaspreet Singh 13 Elementary? André Forget this and that Investigating a curious figure 42 Michael Taube Moving Goalposts Solitary Bird 27 Eugene Marten runs and shoots He wrote this but as an essay The Creator Bardia Sinaee John Allemang If only his walls could talk 43 15 Kelvin Browne Quick, Clever, and Ready backstory 29 Who you gonna call? Ice Corps Kelly S. Thompson Joanna Kafarowski 16 44 poetry Frances Boyle, p. 20 David Ly, p. 24 Michael Fraser, p. 30 Luke Hathaway, p. 34 our contributors John Allemang is a thirty-year veteran Graham Fraser is the author of René Lévesque Gilbert Reid studied monetary economics at of the Globe and Mail. and the Parti Québécois in Power. the London School of Economics. His dystopian science fiction series is titled Adventures of V. Kelvin Browne is the executive director Keith Garebian has just published of the Gardiner Museum, in Toronto. Finger to Finger and In the Bowl of My Eye. David Marks Shribman won a Pulitzer Prize in 1995 for his coverage of American politics. Frances Bula has covered urban issues and city J. L. Granatstein writes on politics for the Vancouver Sun and Canadian Canadian political and military history. Bardia Sinaee is a poet in Ottawa. Architect, among others. Brooke Jeffrey authored Road to Redemption: Ian Smillie is the author of The Alms Bazaar Marlo Alexandra Burks is the magazine’s The Liberal Party of Canada 2006–19. She and a co-author of The Charity of Nations: new assistant editor. teaches political science at Concordia University. Humanitarian Action in a Calculating World. Elaine Coburn directs the Centre for Feminist Joanna Kafarowski wrote Antarctic Pioneer: Michael Taube is a columnist for Troy Media. Research at York University. The Trailblazing Life of Jackie Ronne. Kelly S. Thompson has a new memoir, Brad Dunne is a freelance writer and editor John Lorinc publishes widely on cities, Still, I Cannot Save You, due out in January. in St. John’s. the environment, and business. ◆ André Forget recently published a novel, Amanda Perry teaches literature at Concordia On the cover: “Risks of Inflation,” In the City of Pigs. University and Champlain College Saint-Lambert. by Sandi Falconer. 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(The French brand Frank’s Mister Mustard war in Ukraine, another mustard- producing took out an unassuming ad in the pages powerhouse, hasn’t helped matters.) of The New Yorker. “Try It Free!” the Especially in Montreal, mustard is something copy read. “Write name, address of your of a foundational food. “You are a grain of grocer; your name, address. We will send you a mustard seed,” Barthélemy Vimont preached, generous trial jar.” as Maisonneuve founded the city in May 1642, Years later, Will Smith starred in the block- “that shall rise and grow till its branches over- buster Men in Black, in which a giant alien cock- shadow the earth.” The Jesuit missionary was roach threatens humanity. Late in the movie, alluding to a parable told in three books of Smith’s character crushes a number of regular- the New Testament. “When it is grown, it is the size roaches with his boot. Even when insects are greatest among herbs,” Jesus says of mustard involved, American Humane has strong feelings seed in Matthew, “and becometh a tree, so about such things, so the actor actually stomped that the birds of the air come and lodge in the packets of mustard to mimic that familiar squish branches thereof.” sound. “At the moment,” the movie director Jesus also likened the ancient spice to belief Barry Sonnenfeld explained back then, “there’s itself. “If ye have faith as a grain of mustard no mustard- defamation league.” seed,” he is quoted in the Gospel, “ye shall say Sadly, the days of mail- order complimentary unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder condiments are over, and in France something place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be of a mustard- defamation league is forming. impossible unto you.” In this context, today’s “Where’s Monsieur Mustardseed?” Bottom asks shortage seems especially poignant. It’s difficult in A Midsummer Night’s Dream. The answer in if not impossible to have faith or hope or 2022, increasingly, is nowhere. optimism at such a fraught time — defined as it The average French citizen consumes nearly a is by a plague of gun violence and the erosion kilogram of Dijon each year. “Many an unctuous of rights in the United States, by the devastating sauce withers into insipidity without mustard,” fires in British Columbia and southern Europe, the New York Times recently wrote, in an article by the record-b reaking temperatures in the about an ongoing supply chain snafu that’s left United Kingdom, by a global economy in which steak frites after steak frites wanting. The prob- more and more people are falling further and lem is that the vast majority of France’s supply further behind. of brown mustard seed comes from Canada, After her own fall, down the rabbit hole, Alice and yields for the August 2021–July 2022 season is warned that, like flamingos, mustard can are expected to be significantly down compared bite. The moral of that, the Duchess tells her, is with last year’s, according to an Agriculture “Birds of a feather flock together.” The young and Agri-Food Canada report. It may sound girl points out that mustard isn’t a bird at all: as if 440 kilograms per hectare is a healthy “It’s a m ineral, I think.” To which the o bsequious harvest — especially when weighing one of the Duchess quickly responds. “Of course it is; world’s smallest seeds — but that’s about half there’s a large mustard- mine near here,” she of what it was not long ago. And even though explains to Alice. “And the moral of that is —‘ The yields are expected to increase twelve months more there is of mine, the less there is of yours.’ ” from now, overall exports aren’t. It’s not just Dijon that we’re missing. Many Alberta and, especially, Saskatchewan grow of us have a deep sense that there’s just a lot of most of this country’s mustard, but the south- less at the moment: less nature and bio diversity, ern prairie regions have lately suffered both less s tability and promise, less free thought and drought and abnormally high temperatures. middle ground, less civility and nuance. These “very unusual ‘production challenges,’ ” “Why then, the mustard without the beef,” as the chair of the SaskMustard industry group Grumio offers Katharina in The Taming of the has described them, have also affected y ellow Shrew. Indeed, the world truly is upside down mustard seed, which is popular in places like and humanity truly is in trouble when things Germany, Hungary, and Quebec, where com- are the other way around: plenty of beefs to be panies are seeing an increased appetite for had, with little in the way of that wonderfully pungent-t asting pastes even as their primary symbolic accompaniment. 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If you do not wish to receive such correspondence, email Subscriber Services at [email protected], call (416) 932-5081, or write P.O. Box 8, Station K, Toronto, ON m4p 2g1. The Literary Review of Canada wishes its departing associate editor, Rose Hendrie, the very best with all of her future endeavours. Furthermore RE: A Sort of Equilibrium The drawing accompanying this piece claimed RE: Father’s Day by Jeffrey Simpson (July/August) that the Dandurand home on Sherbrooke Street by Liz Howard (June) West was “tony.” It was no more “tony” than it jeFFrey simpson ends his elegant revieW oF was “micky” or “larry” or “percy.” It certainly liz hoWard’s poem “Father’s day” takes a David R. Cameron’s The Daily Plebiscite by com- was located in a high-class Montreal neighbour- Hallmark holiday and runs, cuts into a real plimenting the author for his remembrance of hood. That fact and the Dandurand achieve- world: a father unknown, time’s wind shaping things past. And that’s my beef. From the con- ments and fortune gave it a high tone. It was the surface of a moment. The consequence of tents of the review, at least, I get the impression thus “toney,” not “tony.” an action is undone and resurfaces in metaphor. that the book stops time at 1867. That’s not good Mistakes such as this — along with sloppy This is a startling, beautiful poem that departs enough — not even for historians of federalism. writing, incorrect grammar, and negligent proof- from the puerile meaning of its title almost Unless they address the historical deficit that reading — are increasingly rampant, even in completely. a Confederation focus perpetuates, they are “national” newspapers such as the Globe and exacerbating the injustice this deficit represents. Mail and National Post. You can do better. Emily Mernin I’m not a historian but a settler Canadian Windsor, Ontario learning about both my colonial heritage and David Murray my treaty heritage. From what I’ve learned so far, Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario RE: Imaginary Futures historians need to reconstitute Canada’s story by Kyle Wyatt (April) based on treaty foundations: the sharing of land many thanks For your recent letter, david, and responsibility to it. A sequel to Simpson’s and for reading the magazine. my april issue arrived just belatedly. i had review might then begin with a revised version Our house style is largely guided by the been thinking of asking whether any acknow- of that old “ chestnut” he opens with, about how Canadian Oxford Dictionary, which defines ledgement of Mavis Gallant’s birth 100 years ago Canadians would title a book about elephants. “tony” as “stylish, fashionable, high-class (a tony would appear. I opened the magazine and saw Just imagine The Elephant: A Federal, Provincial, neighbourhood).” Collins Canadian Dictionary, “Imaginary Futures.” A head-shakingly bizarre or Treaty Responsibility? which we use less often, similarly defines “tony” coincidence. as “stylish or distinctive; classy.” Heather Menzies In the United States, where the colloquial Jason Blake Gabriola, British Columbia term originated in the nineteenth century, Celje, Slovenia Merriam-Webster defines “tony” as “marked by RE: Patina an aristocratic or high-toned manner or style.” . . . when one’s book is considered seriously by Jo-Ann Wallace (July/August) And while it does offer “less commonly toney” as an accepted variant, neither the COD nor this insightFul, Well-Written, thoughtFul kudos For this knockout personal essay by Collins acknowledges that spelling. piece, “Mixed Grill,” by Rose Hendrie, made me Jo-Ann Wallace. Autobiography, social and Are we misunderstanding something? weepy and grateful. cultural history, national history all effortlessly told. Stays with you bittersweetly. The Caption Writers and Proofreaders @MrRazovsky via Twitter @JudithKalman thank you For your prompt reply. blame it on via Twitter my age (eighty) and, thus, my long-ago English really quite moved by this amazing revieW oF boarding school “education” that the Oxford The Invisible Siege in the Literary Review of RE: Without Great Seriousness English Dictionary was the arbiter of all matters Canada. I feel . . . seen. by Kyle Wyatt (July/August) related to spelling. Notwithstanding your references to the COD and Collins, I stand by @dmwerb redonda is a rock i have sailed past count- my admonition that “toney,” not “tony,” is via Twitter less times. In fact, it is the backdrop of some of the correct adjectival extraction from the noun my favourite beaches in Antigua and Barbuda, “tone”— just as Tony and Toni are the accepted this is a very good revieW oF my volcano. where my family is from. diminutive extractions from the names Anthony Gotta get that can of woo-woo! We usually go back a few times a year. I think and Antonio. the next time we’re there and go boating, I will Is this our correspondence a phony Canadian @JEStintzi ask my family to stop at Redonda, so I can, disagreement or a phoney English one? (Or, via Twitter perhaps, self-proclaim myself a viscount and simply, a pedantic one?) Cordially and with wry pop a bottle of champagne to make it official! humour (not “humor”) . . . great revieW oF spin doctors in the literary Review of Canada. Take a read and then buy Wayne Francis David Murray twenty-seven copies, please. Brampton, Ontario For What it’s Worth, the oxFord english @NoLore RE: The Dandurands Dictionary also favours “tony” without the “e” as via Twitter by Patrice Dutil (June) its preferred spelling, listing “toney” as but an accepted variation. Write to [email protected] or tag our i expected better From the caption Writers social media channels. We may edit comments and and proofreaders at the Literary Review of Canada. The Caption Writers and Proofreaders feedback for length, clarity, and accuracy. September 2022 55 Now Available from University of Toronto Press "Interweaving stories of his father’s terminal illness and his own practice as a radiation oncologist, Charles Hayter sheds light on the hidden world of the interactions between doctors and patients." PHILIP C. 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SEGAL and A History of Canada in 10 Maps Former Chief of Staff to Prime Minister Brian Mulroney DEITRICH NEUMANN Brown University @utpress the public square As We Know It For charity’s an argument Ian Smillie What WE Lost: Inside the Attack thousands of them — to promote volunteerism model that was unlike those of many of its peers on Canada’s Largest Children’s Charity and service learning about social issues, mental in the sector. Instead of appealing to donors to Tawfiq S. Rangwala health, and Indigenous youth leadership. support programs that address just one or two Optimum Publishing International To help popularize their efforts, the Kielburgers specific needs — providing water, for example, or 448 pages, hardcover, softcover, and ebook organized a jamboree in Toronto that brought schoolbooks — the charity evolved to embrace a together thousands of participating high school holistic community-b ased approach.” Together students in 2007. They called it WE Day, a com- or singly, the brothers wrote books — a dozen I n september 2021, craig and marc bination of celebratory r einforcement, motiva- of them — and they regularly contributed uplift- Kielburger, the brothers who created tional speeches, and entertainment — part revival ing columns to newspapers across the coun- a tiny NGO called Free the Children meeting, part rock concert. The format soon try. WE Charities were registered in the U.K. and turned it into an international became a signature of the organization, and and in the U.S., where their revenues topped network of charities, companies, and dozens of huge WE Days were held over the years $31 million (U.S.) in 2019. foundations, announced that their $65- million across Canada, the United States, and the United A decade earlier, Craig and Marc had set up centrepiece, WE Charity Canada, would fold. It Kingdom. These were star- studded, strobe-lit a separate structure, a “social enterprise” called had taken twenty-fi ve years to build but only events where cheering teenagers heard speeches ME to WE, which would be a profit- making seventy- nine days to bring it down, during company to create jobs in developing countries which time there were hundreds of radio and through the sale of fair trade and artisanal prod- television reports and, by Tawfiq S. Rangwala’s ucts. It also provided travel services for what estimation, 129,000 references in the press. ME to WE described on its website as a “unique WE’s alleged failings were legion: unbridled opportunity to volunteer on a WE Charity Trudeau family cronyism resulting in a sole- international development project.” This, it source $543- million government contract for explained, might take the form of “assisting with WE Charity, an unfathomable tangle of non- local harvests, collecting water or even building profit and for- profit entities, conflicts of interest, a school.” The for-p rofit’s second purpose was to corruption, financial mismanagement, a hidden support WE Charity as a donor. In other words, real estate empire worth tens of millions of the overall WE family would earn some of its dollars, extensive donor fraud, even racism. As own income. Rangwala writes, “Everything the organization On April 19, 2020, a month into the pan- had ever done became fodder for scrutiny, and demic, WE Charity was approached by eventually, suspicion and scorn.” Employment and Social Development Canada Rangwala is not an objective bystander. He about a possible youth service program that is a Canadian lawyer based in New York who would be part of the government’s COVID-19 served on the WE Charity board of directors response. The idea was that teenagers unable for several years, stepping down in 2021 to put to find summer jobs could instead volunteer together this account. He, like other i nsiders with non- profits and be paid a stipend under and supporters, was stunned at the speed and a program called the Canada Student Service the ugliness of what happened two years ago, Grant, or CSSG. Could WE Charity organize and in What WE Lost, he makes a credible something like this? witness for the defence. There is a gap in the With thousands of schools already involved story, however: one that might be called What in WE’s service learning programs, the under- WE Never Had. taking didn’t seem like a stretch, even when it ◆ ballooned to a target of 100,000 participants in 1995, When he Was tWelve, craig kielburger Suddenly, it all fell apart. and a budget of half a billion dollars. WE would y m read an article about a young human rights act as a bridge, connecting young people with a l activist in Pakistan who had been murdered for from the likes of Kofi Annan, Ban Ki-moon, other non- profit groups across the country. Of a ; n his condemnation of child labour in the carpet Justin Trudeau, Prince Harry, Lewis Hamilton, the $543.5 million, just under $35 million, or o ti industry. Helped by his parents and his older Idris Elba, and Gord Downie. WE Days — free to 6.4 percent, would be allocated for administra- c e brother, Marc, Craig began travelling, raising students who earned tickets through their school tive costs. Because both the government and l l o funds, and speaking out against child labour. volunteerism — were s upported by generous WE Charity wanted indemnification against c t With a new charitable organization, Free the donations from large corporate sponsors, among claims that might result from possible injuries t e r Children, and with a book of the same name them RBC, Telus, CTV, and Virgin Atlantic. to students, it was decided that the agreement e v e under his belt, he was soon being lionized There was nothing quite like it. No charity would be signed with a separate entity, the ; 8 2 by politicians, celebrities, and the media — touched as many Canadian youth as WE; none WE Charity Foundation. This body — created 9 1 including 60 Minutes and Oprah Winfrey. of the large established international develop- years earlier as a “potential future repository ., r j Money f ollowed, and the organization grew. ment NGOs — World Vision, CARE, Oxfam, for the organization’s real estate assets” but , l l By 2020, it was renamed WE Charity and work- Plan — could muster a crowd a tenth the size of never put to use — would allow for the kind of i b t ing in nine countries throughout Asia, South a WE Day turnout. liability insurance both parties wanted and for a a o America, and Africa, with projects in Kenya as Rangwala describes WE Charity as “Canada’s complete separation of funds and accounts. The b m a its flagship. It had major endeavours in Canada largest children’s charity.” Regarding its overseas agreement was signed on June 23. e t as well, partnering with schools — eventually work, he says it had devised “a development Then the trouble began. s September 2022 7 over the years, justin trudeau had appeared on multiple WE Day stages, and WE Charity paid for his wife, Sophie, to travel to eight of its events. The prime minister’s mother, Margaret, and his brother Alexandre were also paid speak- ers on multiple occasions. So upon hearing of the CSSG agreement, opposition parties cried foul. Within a week, the ethics commissioner had opened an investigation. The House of Commons Standing Committee on Finance and then the Standing Committee on Access to Information, Privacy and Ethics also went into high gear. There had been no tendering process. Trudeau had not recused himself from the cabinet decision, nor had the finance minister, Bill Morneau, who, it turned out, had taken a ME to WE trip to Ecuador with his family and had never been billed for it. The optics were terrible, and soon Morneau was gone from government. The RCMP got involved. In the parliamentary hearings, the Kielburger brothers, Morneau, the prime minister, and five dozen other witnesses were grilled over a ten- month period. Long before any of that, however, the government announced, on July 3, that WE was out and that Ottawa would take over man- agement of the CSSG. It never did: the program was dead. But the attacks on WE and the Kielburgers were just getting started. The most strident came from the Conservative member of Parliament Pierre Poilievre, who hammered angrily away, frequently demanding yes or no answers (“Did you take notes on your phone call, yes or no, for the fourth time?”) and often interrupting with his own interpretation (“We’ll just assume you’re hiding that”). He also expressed amaze- ment that WE’s management costs for running the CSSG would be covered by the agreement (“You were going to pay the expenses to your- self”). Poilievre was relentless, as was the NDP’s Charlie Angus. While they directed their outrage at the Kielburgers, their obvious target was Justin Trudeau. In dozens of interviews, Kate Bahen, the founder of Charity Intelligence, a watchdog with fleas of its own, said variously of WE Charity that it didn’t understand Canadian charity law, that it was broke, and that it actually had no board of directors. Jesse Brown, of the news site and podcast network Canadaland, posted ten negative stories and two podcasts about WE in July 2020 alone. The mainstream media fed off such commentary, and the CBC’s Fifth Estate got into the act, sending a team to Kenya to inves- tigate charges of false advertising and “double pledging.” The show ran two episodes about WE in 2021. “Where did all that money go?” asked the CBC reporter Mark Kelley. Rangwala goes through these events in detail and refutes most of the charges convincingly. It isn’t all that difficult; there have been numerous independent studies and inquiries, most of them readily available online. The ethics commis- sioner Mario Dion’s report, for example, found that “the creation and eventual ratification of the CSSG was not done improperly,” and, despite the optics, he found no evidence of improper behaviour in the awarding of the program by either Morneau or Trudeau. Using the WE Charity Foundation as a vehicle for the CSSG — such a shocker for opposition politicians and reporters — can be easily explained, Rangwala maintains. And that bogeyman for many commentators, ME to WE,