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JOHN W. THIERET, ASSOCIATE EDITOR OF SIDA (1972-2005) Lipscomb Barney Botanical Research Institute of Texas 509 Pecan Street USA. Fort Wortli Texas 76102-4060, W John With e most distinguished editors of the 20th century North America. at least in "Big my sometimes was John," as called him, steady and faithful cheerleader, Sida I and He supporter, crusader extraordinai was always whenever there needed re. I Notwithstanding John's many me obligations, he called after receiving each and every issue of Sida. And the voice heard each time was always with I inspirational, filled praise for the good but soft and tender on the good that could be better. John's source of was many inspiration perhaps from the years of editorial experience with Eco- North America, and the Journal of if ]oh Science. ij sensed there was always room more than was for a little praise given editors [to How How everywhere]. "Keep up the fine work good ole fellow! are you doing? Now are you holding up? Lets go on anything you would a field trip! there is me like for to do? Edit a manuscript? Review a book and write review? What- a my way ever send and promptly just return John it is it I'll to you." Thieret it was forever supportive and never failed to do what he said he would He was do. how always thinking of he could help the other person and always like felt 1 1 John so loved Sida that he gave nearly 40 years of his Hfc. To John be the glory—great things he has done for Sida, Contributions Botany] to my This tribute him. to is Highlights of John Thieret's contributions Sida to Ralph Thompson's (2006) excellent tribute provides a detailed account of the great service John Thieret rendered botany and academia, chosen to his fields. My tribute will recount his great and lasting contributions to a journal he cared much so about, Sida, Contributions Bof John's love and early relationship to (any with Sida and wâs tied closely to that of his colleague friend Lloyd H. Shinners at Southern Methodist University Therefore, pick up John communi- of s trail I with cation Shinners even before Shinners started Sida in 1962. 1961— According to Ginsburg (2002), "Thieret was on staff of the Chicago Natural m Museum when History he wTOte to Shinners 1961 to inquire about academic SIDA22(l):55-63.2006 BRIT.ORG/SIDA 22(1) 56 when moved was and positions botanists. Sbinncrs very helpful, Thicret to for beeame two the University of Southwestern Louisiana [Lafayette] the [riends and Thieret wrote, close colL^borators/^ "1 really think that a private line ought to be established between your herbarium and ours..." Music was another shared enthusiasin. — 1962 Lloyd H.Shinners alone wrote, edited, and published the (irst two issues of Sidd which were distributed on November 23rd. He said that he would have own own would pubhshed pubhsh journal because his articles never be to his when otherwise. So was quite a tribute he published others' papers. it —With on December John 1963 the publication of the third issue of Sida 13, Thieret became the fourth author aside from Shinners to have a paper published behind W. Osborne, Walter H. Lewis, and Arthur the journal, Phillip in Arthur Cronquist. Johns 54 page Yellowknife Llighway paper followed Cronquists paper, The taxonomic significance of evolutionary parallelism. survey along the Yellowknife Highway, Northwest Territories, Canada, cata- Botanical I: 7-1 logue of the Sida 70. flora. (3):1 1 1 — The 1964 Five of Johns manuscripts were submitted and published in 1964. issue contained the second part of John botanical survey along the first s Yellowknife Highway. In addition, Sida no. 4 contained another significant 1, A was named and memorable event John Thieret. new^ flowering plant species for named honor time Lloyd Shinners (1964) Scutellaria in his for the first ever. thieretii (Labiatae) for John. Lloyd wrote, "The Louisiana plant is considered to and honor an be one more in a group of very closely related species, in of ener-- am Dr and productive collector named...! indebted to Thieret for sup- getic is it SMU and mounted specimens from plying the twô collections, for the loan of And between the University of Southwestern Louisiana." so the relationship John and Lloyd strengthens. otanical survey along the Yellowknife Highway, Northwest Territories, Canada. If veg- 87-239, etation. Sida 1(4)T was manuscripts Shinners began work on Sida but a struggle to get the 1(5), it with ready the printer (Ginsburg 2002). Thieret apparently offered help is- for sue no. but could find no correspondence indicating whether or not Shinners 5, 1 John up on Maybe John helped by submitting well -written ever took his offer. and superbly edited manuscripts for Lloyd to publish. new Fatoua (Moraceae) Louisiana: to North America. Sida (4):248. villosa in 1 new simachiajoponica (Primulaceae) and Clinopodium grocHe (Labiatae) Louisiana: in to the United States. Sida (4):249-250. 1 More additions to the Louisiana flora. Sida (5):294-295. 1 annuum Eriogonum (Polygonaceae): biennial Nebraslâ. Sida (6):382. in 1 LIPSCOMB, JOHN W.THIERET, ASSOCIATE EDITOR 57 1965 John Joh Joh —The 1966 next documented account of correspondence between John and Lloyd took place on January 26. U am sending, I for possible publication in SIDA, a manuscript entuled "Seeds o( Some United States Phytolaccaceae and Aizoaceae." The was article published on September 27. some Seeds of United States Phytolaccaceae and Aizoaceae. Sida 2:352-360. m Sometime Shmners had 1966, his first "all out" case of insulin shock and after hearing about that, Thieret wrote, was appalled hear your account "I to of the insulin shock." suspect John once again offered Lloyd help with Sida but ap- 1 parently no with such words letter are in Shinners' archives. Shinners recov- from ered the insulin attack and published a fourth issue of Sida in 1966; volume number was 6 published on December 2, 30. 1967— According Gmsburg to (2002) Shinners was probably exhausted after publishing four issues of Sida in 1966 and even more exhausted second after his m NSF May grant ended 1967. Thieret apparently kept enough in close contact know to the details. According to Ginsburg (2002), "He was wiUing iThieret] to come Dallas weekend to for a to help in getting an issue together, or he would and read anything edit that Shinners might send." In a letter to Shinners, Thieret once again offered assistance with Sida. "Sida is a most worthy cause. To help out a is privilege..." John not only continued to correspond with Lloyd, but he submitted manu- also and scripts to Sida Lloyd published four of John's papers in 1967. Supraspecific classification the Scrophulariaceae:a in review.Sida 3(2):87-106. Thirty additions to the Louisiana flora. Sida 3(3):123-127. Cyperus subgenus Kyllinga (Cyperaceae) the continental United in States. Sida 3(3):128- [with Delahouhoussaye] 36. A.J. 1 Neogaerrhinum kelloggii (Greene) comb. Thieret, nov. (Scrophulariaceae). Sida 3(3):1 87. 1968— John Thieret wrote Lloyd on April 1968. 18, Ma "With me regard to u randel la. it gives great pleasure to enclose a copy of Rothmaler's paper on the Antirrhineae, To think that the Thieret library could contribute something to the Shinners library!!!!! Glad SIDA to hear, also, that is such a well-going concern. Once again make an offer to come to I Dallas for a weekend if I can be of help-real help-in getting together an issue. Also, be glad to I'll read and edit anything you send over Even Czech paper-which that you specifically said not to edit, you will recall." John either issue. 1969—Shinners published two issues of Sida in 1969: and August and 3(5) 3(6), BRIT.ORG/SIDA 22(1) 58 November between those two issues John sent Lloyd a letter respectively. In September dated 1969; 9, an board you decided establish editorial was surprised to get the BiêJowia[Andersoiilopus. Ha\'e Lo ^'1 non-promotion? your contributions against la') "protect" (1 to again problems, Thieret another round Shuniers^ health hearing about of After help proof read Sida. offered to me index vol 4 Right?" wilhng have take care ot the (or ol Sidtt- "You arc recall to 1 Undoubtedly they Mean whilejohn submitted four manuscripts for publication. exceUent and Idoyd probably had to do very little worl< were submitted sliape in them ready publication. on these papers to get for new guayanensis (Alismataceae) Louisiana: to the United States, Sida 3(6):445. Sogittana in new North to Riimex obovatus and Rumex paraguayensis (Polygonaceae) in Louisiana: America. Sida 3(6):445-446. comb. (Leguminosae). Sida 3(6):446. nov. (Rafinesque) Thieret. Baptisia lactea new and Louisiana: to North America. (Legunainosae) Mississippi vesiculosum in Trifolium 3(6):446-447. Sida 1969-1970—Wilbam E Mahler was appointed three-quarters time assistant SMU with Department and one^quarter time the professor in the Biology at Herbarium Report involved mostfy Mahler^s activities; herbarium. Shinners^ Shhmers. Once again John offered were under the control of Sida activities stifl May dated sometime in April or 1970 (see another prc^bably Lloyd help letter in also Mahler's tribute). back from Mexico. weekend-tlie extcnsiNê one since got nVcnt on a collectnig foray this past first 1 was was limping some- The ankle gives trouble... Indeed, by the thiu^ the collecting trip over, T still awful tiling (!). You were willmg, recall to have me take care of the mdex for \'olume 4 of SIDA. Right???- It 1 Shaw paper alone challenge." you arc ^hA\ get onto the task, a bit at a time. s is a btill. 1 month and one 197i_iqoyd Shinners pubhshed Sulci 4(2) on January 15, 1971 William Mahler inherited on February ater Shinners passed awây 16, 1971. F. became and Helen Koresh and he imnKxliately editor from Sida Lloyd's sister com- day Lloyd cleathjohn Thieret February the very after publisher. 1971, s 17, SMU and and mailed Mahler offering personal assistance posed a letter to at moral support. The my do what can do to help keep SIDA a going thmg. journal 'dust a note to reaffirm offer to I shouldccrtainlynot be allowed to die but should be kept viable as. perhaps, a memorial to Its founder. would As specific thmgs could do,T certanily would be glad to help on editing. I be willing for 1 come over there every once \n a while to work closely wiili )'ou or with anyone else interested. to reading proof, indexing-all would suit me fine. Speaking of indexing. Lloyd already gave Hditing. me uo-ahead oWnW ^d*oî.nwg^ the index for \'olume 4, C.^C.V. tlie ^.W publica Certainly you arc ihinkmg of an article on loyd, in SIDA, with possibly a list of his I work on bibliographic involved. tions. rd be glad to lielp here, especiall)- the LIPSCOMB, JOHN WJHIERET, ASSOCIATE EDITOR 59 My now There' offers have been made, k is up to )'ou to see that they are taken up! SMU Would possibly help [WiUiam] Reese and were to send some sort ol letter to the it if 1 him SIDA president to urge to do all he can to keep going?" SMU John Thieret was concerned about the future of Sida. Here his fetter to is WiUis and Dean urging Southern Methodist University President M. Tate the Dr. s of Graduate Sciiool, Dr. C.C. Albritton, to continue the pubhcation of Sida. Jr., WORLD OF LEARNING. "The name of the president got from the 1969-70 edition of the assume 1 I that Tate the man. The Albritton part lor certain OK. is still is am going to say that botany has lost a shining ight (or something like that) and that strongly I 1 1 SMU urge to do all can to continue the pubhcation of SIDA, a journal that is an excellent one that it Signedjohn has filled a need. Etc. Etc. Etc. T. number Even with the encouragement from a of Lloyd's colleagues, South- all ern Methodist University never committed to preserving the journal or the col- made name lections that really a for the university in the botanical sciences. moved Other scientific journals were also born there but either died there or on more supportive organizations. The dedication and hard work that Lloyd to m SMU was Shinners devoted championing the cause of botany at kept alive through colleagues and the Botanical Research Institute of Texas (BRIT). Will- money iam Mahler committed 21 years of personal time and in keeping Sida, Contrihutions Botany successful. In 1987, Mahler along with colleagues Lip- to scomb and Andrea McFadden were instrumental in the establishment of the BRIT The BRIT free-standing research institution core of the collections the is Lloyd Shinners Collection in Systematic Botany originally at Southern Meth- LI. odist University. Since Sida was privately published by Mahler too joined BRIT. it BRIT Mahler ownership officially transferred of Sida to in 1993. Mahler (1971) published Sida 4(3) with a tribute to Lloyd and John had same one paper in the issue: new Physalis lagoscae (Solanaceae) in Louisiana: to the conternninous United States. Sida 4:2 him John's offer of help was at last accepted. Mahler officially asked to serve as One papers John associate editor of Sida in late 1971 or early 1972. of the first was manuscript on genus Rorippa edited as associate editor a large the sent to by Dt Ronald botany Shinners (early 1970) Stuckey, associate professor of Dr. L. at Ohio State University. Dt Stuckey expressed a desire to help with Sida in a Mahler and dated February 1971 Thieret. letter 24, to Dr. Dr. my has come attention that Professor Lloyd Shinners has passed away. talked with John Thieret to Tt I My by phone recently and he suggested that write to you [Mahler]. interest is that over a year ago 1 I my sent doctoral dissertation, a very large manuscript on the genus Rorippa to Dr. Shiners for publication in Sida, which he agreed to do. In addition, offered $500.00 to help defray expenses for publi- I m cation, and this was paid to Sida in two contributions of $250.00 each, one December 1969 and one in December 1970. Thus would hope that you and Dr. Thieret, or anyone else, conld see to it that the 1 memo- present manuscript on hand and/or in press for Sida could be published, and certainly as a 60 BRIT.ORG/5IDA 22(1) rial to Dr. Shinners. would be willing to do most anything, at this distance, to help the cause along. I wdlmg 1 suspect financing is the big problem, and I would be to contribute some more funds, if I knew my would for sure tiianuscripr be published in Sida. Furthermore, suspect some editing or 1 my my deletions of manuscript could help, was understanding that the specimen citations would It not be published. Mr might also say that Robert Haynes, our assistant curator of the Hcrbariutn, and former I Dr student of Thieret, has his manuscript on the genus ConophoUs being pubhshed in Sida. would also like to sec this fine journal kir taxonomic botany and related interests be contin- 1 ued either by Southern Methodist University or by a federation of the south-central botanists, for example. Mahlers letter (3 Mar 1971) back to Dr. Stuckey and again Dr Thieret involved; is it \n regard to your letter of 24 February 1971, we are planning to continue SIDA and follow Dr Shinners plants for Vol. 4 (3) and (4), Issues 3 and 4 will be the papers as described in his letter of 26 March 1970. You are being credited with a S500 contribution towards the publication of your MS. At this cannot what time, 1 say the financial situation will be in relation to SIDA and its $12 page costs (re Shinners' letter, 9 December 1969), but hopefully we can continue as planned by Dr Shinners. My contniuing to work Hke Dr Shinners did would be impossible with the other activities (du- We ties). did not get a chance to go over the MS. in detail and would like to send to a reviewer such I it as Dr Thieret. Perhaps you would like to make the changes Dr Shinners suggested and then first, Dr send to Thieret. it We have plenty ol time in this respect as I do not expect No. 3 to come our till summer (71) at this time. I appreciate the brieling (previous correspondence) as it has been very helpful. wish that ev- 1 eryone would do this way Perhaps they will as have one other individual who has brought me up it 1 to date in the same manner. The Conopholis paper Haynes and of is still in the mill status at this time unkno\vn." Dr Stuckey response: s "I enclose Xerox copies of two letters which show that Dr Reed C. RoUins has read and reviewed my am my Rorippa manuscript. pleased that you have selected Dr Thieret to go over manuscript in I preparation lor its publication, It wôuld be best if you transmitted the manuscript directly to him, rather than sending it back to me. The revision that Dr Shinners mentioned iiivolves a small item of about one page. can do this and send the revision to Dr. Thieret. As you may know Dr Thieret will be 1 summer at our University for 5 weeks this teaching at Stone Laboratory. will be there at the same 1 time and can work with him on manuscript the that time." at Mahlers Mar letter (23 1971) to Dr. Stuckey and Dr. Thieret mentioned: is "1 found your MS. yesterday (still have not located the plates, but will in time) and received your letter today Dr Shinners had discussed this MS, with me and stated that would have be trinrmed to to it ca. the length oi Krai's paper ^)ca. 175 ppj. As suggested by Shinners to you, ca. 150 pp. can be eliminated readily (the citation of specimens). That still leaves ca, 100 pp, (70 pp. of MS, + 30 maps, illus.) to be eliminated. This is one of the items of "reviewing" that was referring to in regard tojohn Thieret. If 1 you wish to do this yourself and possibly you should as your MS.John Thieret might be helpful s in it short cuts so that you u'ill not leave out any essential material. The discussions, are rather ver- etc., and same bose the ideas could be expressed in fewer words." — 1972 Dr Thieret s letter (January 1972) to Stuckey announcing his associ- 11, ate editorship: LIPSCOMB, JOHN W.THIERET, ASSOCIATE EDITOR 61 SIDA, ftiiindi^d by Lloyd H, Shmrcr^, js privately publi.shL'd by Win. F. TAXONOMY AND DISTRIBUTION OF THE SMU Midih-r. Merbariuni, DaUajj, Texas, 75222, U.S.A. SubscripUon pncH- IH GENUS ROlUrPA (CRUCIEERiVE) {U.S.) por voliinu^; parts issued at irregular iiUi^r;alj^. NORTH IN AMERICA' nONAr.D STUCKEY L. College oj BioUi(jicai Scwncc^. The Ohio Stat<^ University Cnhnubus, Ohio 43210 RoTippa consists of ihust? ydlow-pelak-d, numerous-seeded, readily- dehisceiit-fruil.'d mîrsh and shoit- phinls in the Cruciferae. Dlslribult-d primarily iry (ompcrale. less so in subtropical and tropical regions, the genLS occurs on every roritinent except Antarctica, but the species are more numerous in the noilhern hemisphere, Tliu rumber of valid species is usually îven as between 40 and 50, but Uiis number may increase lo 50 or 70 with expanded knowledge Jonsell (1968) considered there to be about 70 species, .some imperfectly kiiown. One highly variable species, R pa\usxri&, is known from each continent where the genus occurs. Busch (1915) discussed and mapped seven species for Kur;isia; Wannermacher (I960] had ei^hl species for Middle Europe; and, in Flora Europaea, Valentine C19R4) included 10 species. Several speeies are known from southern Asia, Africa, ASSOCIATE EDITOR and Sojlh America. I recognize 21 species and 25 varieties (including typi- cal ones) as nati\'e lo Ncrlh America; seven species are considered as John W, Thiorct inlroduced, The evolijUonary relationship of these foreign members to the University of SouthwostPrn I,OLiisi;inn North American species nut understood. is Tn North America, Rmippa most common and abundant, both as 1o is individuals and laxa, in the [Jiountainous regions of western Umled Stales. The plants usually ^mw in open, damp or weL naturally-disturbed habitats alonji sandy shores of lakes and alluvial banks of creeks, streams, and rivers, and in marshes ;ind swales; or in wet artificially-disturbed sites along roadside, drainage, and irrtgaUon ditches, about edges of farm ponds, in tow fallow or eultivaled fu-lds and K^^'dens, along railroad i^'rades and ditches, and about dumps or on ballast. HISTORY OF THE GENUS The yellow cresses have a confused nomenclaCural history. Roripj^n br-iins wUh Rcopoli (Fl, Cam, ed. 1. 520. 1760), who wrote the first, but brief, generic diaj^nosis, Althinj^h he did net provide binomials, three species were named. The iirsl contains the exact phraseology as that provided by Lin- naeus (Sp. Pi, fj75. 1753) for Sh]^mhri\im ^ylveatrc. Scopoli cited Linnaeus as one of five sources; on this basis, Rorippa ^ylvesiris (Linnaeus) Bcsser is taken as the type of the genus, Abrams (19-14) listed Sisijmbrium am- © — SilJA Contributions to Botany, Volume 4 N:fml:i*r 4, prices 27i» 43D ^ Ba^cd or Jud rcviwd fr[>En j docronl di"crrjti<>n iijbmi::cd in piriial fuliiMmcni uf the rcquircmcnii fnr t hr dtj^rrr of Dociur of Philosophy in The [Jnivc/iity of Mic hi r in. Ann Copyright 1972 Arbor, l*'*^, Corinbuiinn from xhz Bouny rrnpram ^Papcr No, 770) jnd Thf Hirb*rijm Wm. of Thf Ohio St*cc Univenity, by t\ Mahler — SiDA 4(4}: 27'i îO. 1971. Left: Copyright page of Slda 4(4), the first issue of Sida in which John Thieret was appointed associated editor. Right: First page of Ronald Stuckey's Rorlppa artide which John edited. my "Thanks answers for the to several queries about your Rorxppa ms. Mahler is really the one to talk When any to about financial matters. Hnish with the ms., shall return to Mahler. From then on, I 1 it any dealings will be conducted by hnn. have just been asked to serve as Associate Editor of Sida- I which what about Fve been doing just along." is all John came Thieret to the editorial rescue as associate editor of Sida in 1972 and Joh hjoh many and the help of other colleagues, kept Sida going strong. Mahler passed the editorial baton to Lipscomb in 1983 but remained publisher until 1993;John was associate editor from 1972-2005. — 1972-2005 Not only was John an was active associate editor of Sida, he also contributing manuscripts. Twenty-seven of John's papers were published in Sida during 34 25% his years of associate editorship. This represents almost of all the papers John published in that same time frame. In of the fact, all scientific papers Ralph Thompson's 26% listed in tribute (2006), were published in Sida, more than three times that of the next closest journal. The amount of work he contributed enormous and the success, the foundation that John Thieret (and is Wm. made We Mahler) Sida cannot be underestimated. have been to F. all for- BRIT.ORG/SIDA 62 22(1) my tunate have had Johns involvement with the journal but (Lipscomb) ca- to was impacted by good reer truly this friend. my John's influence on (Lipscomb) personal career my began herbarium Southern hi the faU of 1975 botanical career as botanist at Methodist University. There worked in the great herbarium and botanical li- T brary built by the prolific researcher, writer and founder of Sida, Lloyd Shmners. My SMU two work herbarium and casu- first years of at wêre strictly related 1 Wm. ally observed the editorial work on Sida by F Mahler. In the beginning I know me was did not w^ho John Thieret but didn^t take long to find out. Tra- it Shmners Mahler he needed meet John and Mahler dition wôndcrful. told to is me my needed meet two SMU, was told to John. In 1977, years into job at 1 I my and appointed assistant editor of Sida by mentor, friend, colleague Bill commu- around time— pre-email days— began Mahler. wâs this that first to It 1 nicate with ^^Big John" Thieret over the phone and through letters. Over time 1 began with him more and more on and mat- to interact Sidcfs issues editorial man would met behind be years later before actually the the red pen. ters. It I 1 had no idea John wâs the master of editing. wâs too young to envision the I my man immediate and tuture impact this one wôuld have on Lie genu- life. me inely cared for as an individual and shared his expertise and knowledge oh J Joh owm me his children. He (and Mahler) helped to learn the role of an editor one pen red at a time. A He was few^ years passed before finally got to meet John in person. ev- I erything that envisioned. enjoyed one full wêek with John and his lovely I I m home wife Mildred back in the late 1990s. stayed in their Alexandria not far 1 Joh :/(Zi ?? Joh iD for a dead stalk or stalks of herbaceous plants, "especially of large umbellifer- ous plants" (Oxford English Dictionary). enjoyed four wonderful days with I One John traveling and botanizing through northern and eastern Kentucky. of Joh s me of Rhus typhiua (Staghorn Sumac). He told the drink irom the sweet fruits was from called "rhusade." After returning to the Cincinnati area out botanical John J We into this humongous store and headed straight to the produce section and did awesome and an wê ever have a great time identifying plants plant parts. wâs It experience with John, the economic botanist. And we visited another of Johns LIPSCOMBJOHNW.THIERET. ASSOCIATE EDITOR 63 What favorite plant places, Spring Grove Cemetery in Cincinnati. an incredible many and woody and what place to study learn about the different plants a wonderful teacher had. I For 33 years John Thieret served Sida, Contributions Botany as associate to and beyond editor. His crusading editorial scientific contributioTis to Sida are measure! He was a good friend and advocate of Lloyd Shinners and Sida] he Wm. was a solid anchor of support to Mahler in the storm of uncertainty that F. me followed Lloyds death; and he was a radiant lighthouse of editorial help to as a young editor. He was the guiding light of editorial excellence and author- Sida today in large part because of John Thieret. His 33 years of editorship ity. is with Sida stands longer than anyone associated with the journal. else my my John Thieret was rock and anchor. His editorial energy and enthu- and remembered and siasm loyalty to Sida will forever be deeply appreciated! km many me Did ever say thank you John? sure did times but let say in it 1 1 print in Sida one last time for everyone to see, Thank you John for all that you Ve done and continue do through your teachmgs. to Postscript: Changes in the journal, Sida no more Fm glad these tributes to John Thieret could be pubhshed in the journal that he loved so very much. Soon the journal Sida, Contributions Botany will no longer to name be published by that but instead will be called thejournal Botanical of new new Research Institute Texas. The journal will have a look but generally of the same format, botanical focus, and editorial direction will remain. The lead- name ership of the Botanical Research Institute of Texas has decided the "Sida" much offensive and has too of a negative connotation because of its similar- is word meaning AIDS and ity to the in Spanish, French, Italian, Portuguese. Per- am haps the name change a good thing but personally saddened to see is I name and Shinners' original long-standing displaced- ACKNOWLEDGMENTS thank Gary Jennings /archive Ruth Ginsburg (archive help and (library help), I Thompson Guy Nesom comments. reading the ms), and Ralph and for helpful REFERENCES Botanical Research Institute of Texas Archives. 2006. Lloyd Herbert Shinners archive. Botanical Research Institute of Texas library Fort Worth. Ginsburg, 2002. Lloyd Herbert Shinners: by him5elf.Sida,Bot.Misc.22. R. Mahler, W.F. 1971. Lloyd Herbert Shinners 1918-1971. Sida 4:228-231. new from Shinners, L.H. ]964. Scutellaria thieretii (Labiatae), a species coastal Louisiana. Sida l(4):251-252. Thompson, R.L2006.JohnW.Thieret (1926-2005). Sida 21:3-1 9.