J N AZZ OTES J N AZZ OTES Interviews across the Generations Sanford Josephson P RAEGER An Imprint of ABC-CLIO, LLC Copyright©2009bySanfordJosephson Allrightsreserved.Nopartofthispublicationmaybereproduced,storedina retrievalsystem,ortransmitted,inanyformorbyanymeans,electronic,mechanical, photocopying,recording,orotherwise,exceptfortheinclusionofbriefquotationsina review,withoutpriorpermissioninwritingfromthepublisher. LibraryofCongressCataloging-in-PublicationData Jazznotes:interviewsacrossthegenerations/SanfordJosephson. p.cm. Includesbibliographicalreferencesandindex. ISBN978–0–313–35700–8(hardcopy:alk.paper)—ISBN978-0-313-35701-5 (ebook:alk.paper) 1. Jazzmusicians—Interviews. I.Title. ML394.J67 2009 781.65092’273—dc22 [B] 2009009898 Firstpublishedin2009 13 12 11 10 9 1 2 3 4 5 ThisbookisalsoavailableontheWorldWideWebasaneBook. Visitwww.abc-clio.comfordetails. ABC-CLIO,LLC 130CremonaDrive,P.O.Box1911 SantaBarbara,California93116-1911 Thisbookisprintedonacid-freepaper ManufacturedintheUnitedStatesofAmerica Includesmaterialoriginallypublishedinthefollowingpublications:IndianapolisStar,Los AngelesHeraldExaminer,AmericanWay,LouisvilleCourier-Journal,ToledoBlade,ELECTRICity, NewYorkDailyNews,CincinnatiEnquirer,St.LouisPost-Dispatch,andTheTrib. Dedications ... ‘‘This is it. This is the big show The scene is steaming now, energy ... flowing throughout this musicalatmosphere ’’ From‘‘TheCottonClubonFire’’byDanJosephson Iwouldliketodedicatethisbooktomywife,Linda,andmytwosons, Alex and Dan, all of whom gave me great encouragement as I embarked upon this project. Linda was both my strongest supporter and toughest critic, as she edited each chapter with her unwavering eyefordetail.Alexretrievedhisaltosaxophone,whichhadlanguished inouratticforcloseto15years,andtookitwithhimtohisapartment in New York City to reprise the first jazz piece he had played on it, Miles Davis’s ‘‘Freddy the Freeloader.’’ The lyrical lines reprinted above are from an award-winning poem written by Dan when he was ahighschoolfreshmanin2001.HehadbeeninspiredbyKenBurns’s jazz serieson PBS. This book is also dedicated to all those wonderful jazz musicians who have never received anything near the celebrity they deserve for an art formthat is sadlyunderappreciated in theUnited States. Contents Preface ix Acknowledgement xi 1 SeeingStardust:‘‘Hoagy’’Carmichael 1 (Additional interviewswith Hoagy B. Carmichael, BillCharlap andBob Wilber) 2 TheJointIs Jumpin’:Thomas‘‘Fats’’ Waller 15 (Additional interviewswith Mark Shane andAaron Diehl) 3 NoJoke: Giuseppe‘‘Joe’’ Venuti 23 (Additional interviewswith Stan Kurtis, Andy Stein, Jonathan Russell, Aaron Weinsteinand Paul Anastasio) 4 OneO’ClockJump:William ‘‘Count’’Basie 37 (Additional interviewswith Butch Miles,T.S. Galloway, HowardAlden andMarvin Stamm) 5 MelodyMan: JonahJones 51 (Additional interviewwith WarrenVache) 6 GodIs in theHouse: ArtTatum 57 (Additional interviewswith Barbara Carroll, MarianMcPartland,Aaron Diehl andMark Shane) 7 RoadWarriors:Earle Warren, Howard McGhee, 65 andMilt Hinton (Additional interviewswith Phil Schaap,Joe Temperley, NoreenGreyLienhard,Warren Vacheand Derek Smith) viii Contents 8 TheHappySinger: HelenHumes 89 (Additional interviewswith Norman Simmonsand David Leonhardt) 9 TheReligionof Bebop: JohnBirks‘‘Dizzy’’ Gillespie 95 (Additional interviewswith Jeanie Bryson, JohnLee and Cecil Bridgewater) 10 Classical Jazz: George Shearing 103 (Additional interviewswith DickHyman, RioClemente, Bill Maysand MarvinStamm) 11 TakeFive: DaveBrubeck 111 12 Duke’sMan: NorrisTurney 117 (Additional interviewswith ArtBaron, Joe Temperley, Virginia Mayhew andNorman Simmons) 13 Singingthe Chords: JonHendricks 131 (Additional interviewswith David Leonhardt,Janis Siegel) 14 TravelingwithKing Louis: Arvell Shaw 141 (Additional interviewswith David Ostwald,Ed Polcer, Bria Skonbergand GregoryRivkin) 15 Beyondthe Big Bands: Gerry Mulligan 155 (Additional interviewswith Bill Charlap,Bill Maysand Rich DeRosa) 16 MusicalChameleon: DickHyman 163 (Additional interviewswith Randy Sandke,Bill Charlapand Dan Levinson) 17 FlyingHigh: MaynardFerguson 173 (Additional interviewswith Don Sebesky,Randy Sandke, Denis DiBlasio, andSteve Schankman) 18 GrowingUp WithJazz: Stanley Cowell 181 19 Hornof Emotion: David Sanborn 187 20 Jazz Ambassador: BillyTaylor 193 Index 199 Preface When I was a college student in the early 1960s at the University of Missouri, I attended concerts featuring the Dave Brubeck Quartet and Sarah Vaughan. Jazz was something I listened to occasionally, but itdid not occupyany special placein my life. Then,in September1965, Iaccepted a jobas a writer in thepublic informationofficeoftheFarEasternAreaheadquartersoftheAmeri- can Red Cross, located on an army base, Camp Zama, about 45 minutesfromTokyo.InJapan,IsawDukeEllington,OscarPeterson, Ella Fitzgerald, Herbie Mann, and numerous other well-known jazz artists in concert and in clubs. More importantly, however, I fre- quentedmanyjazzcoffeehousesandbars,inbothTokyoandoutlying towns. At each of these coffee houses/bars, there were hundreds of record albums, and whatever record was currently playing was fea- turedinaspecialspotofprominence.Thevenueshadvariousnames, but I do remember that two of them, in the Shinjuku section of Tokyo,were namedtheVillage Gateand the VillageVanguard, after the famousjazz spotsin NewYork’s GreenwichVillage. BythetimeIreturnedtotheUnitedStatesinDecember1967,Iwas anenthusiasticjazzfanatatimewhenjazzhadhitrockbottominthis country. In January 1968, I moved to New York City to accept a reporting job with Fairchild Publications and was disappointed by the scarcityof places to hear the music. I often went to a midtown eastside spot called The Apartment, where you could listen to the pianist Marian McPartland, or to the Top of the Gate on Bleecker Street in Greenwich Village,where you could listen to the pianists Bill Evans and Junior Mance or the vibra- phonist Gary Burton for the price of a drink. I also listened to
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