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Defendant's motion in limine to instruct
jurors not to read any newspapers for the
d u r a t i o n o f t h e t r i a l ( d e n i e d )
Defendant's motion in limine to restrict the
testimony of Hope Schab
STATE'S WITNESSES
YOUNG LEE
Direct Examination by Ms. Murphy
Cross-Examination by Ms. Gutierrez
GRANT GRAHAM
Direct Examination by Mr. Urick
Cross-Examination by Ms. Gutierrez
Redirect Examination by Mr. Urick
Recross-Examination by Ms. Gutierrez
HOPE SCHAB
Direct Examination by Mr. Urick
Cross-Examination by Ms. Gutierrez
WILLIAM C. RODRIGUEZ, III
Direct Examination by Mr. Urick
Cross-Examination by Ms. Gutierrez
N I S H A ~
Direct Examination by Mr. Urick
Cross-Examination by Ms. Gutierrez
Redirect Examination by Mr. Urick
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STATE'S WITNESSES (Continued)
Recross-Examination by Ms. Gutierrez
CRYSTAL~ Direct Examination by Urick
Cross-Examination by Ms. Gutierrez
Redirect Examination by Mr. Urick Recross-
Examination by Ms. Gutierrez Aislm Direct
Examination by Ms. Murphy Cross-
Examination by Ms. Gutierrez STATE'S
EXHIBITS!
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206 215 234 234!
237 254 IDENTIFIED IN EVIDENCE 18 31
32 85 88 245
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PROCEEDINGS (I0:18 a.m.)!
(The jury was not present upon reconvening.) THE
COURT: Please be seated.!
MS. GUTIERREZ: Good morning, Your Honor.!
THE COURT: Good morning everyone.!
MS. GUTIERREZ: I apologize for this morning, but I
didn't know what I could do about it.!
THE COURT: No, Ms. Gutierrez, between you and I,
I have no heat, you have no water. I think we're
probably in good stead, so I do understand. No
apology.!
have it.!
MS.!
GUTIERREZ:!
THE COURT:!
You miss water when you don't!
I'ii swap with you, okay?!
MS. GUTIERREZ: THE COURT: -- this morning
said,!
Gladly.!
I have the water and no heat, and 1 if only I had
heat and no water, I!
could deal. So, in any event, I appreciate that you're
able to make it here today. Please let your staff
know at your office, if you want to leave this office
phone number --!
MS. GUTIERREZ: I did.!
THE COURT: -- information.!
And that's true for you, Mr. Urick, or, you, Ms.
Murphy, at any time during the course of the trial,
i f y o u n e e d a r e t u r n p h o n e c a l l o r a m e s s a g e , I n a v e
a b s o l u t e l y n o p r o b l e m w i t h y o u u s i n g t h i s n u m b e r, s i n c e
t h i s i s w h e r e y o u a r e m o s t o f t h e t i m e . S o I h a v e n o
problem with that whatsoever.
B e f o r e I b r i n g t h e j u r y o u t , a g a i n I j u s t w a n t
t o r e i t e r a t e s c h e d u l i n g . E x p e c t t o t a k e a b r e a k f o r
l u n c h a t 1 2 : 3 0 , c o m e b a c k a t 1 : 3 0 , fi n i s h t h e d a y a t 4 : 3 0
t o d a y. I a l s o w i l l a d v i s e t h e m i f i n t h e e v e n t t h a t
t h e r e i s a s n o w s t o r m , a n d f o r s o m e r e a s o n w e a r e n o t
w o r k i n g , t h a t t h e y s h o u l d l i s t e n t o t h e r a d i o s t a t i o n .
O t h e r t h a n t h a t , a r e t h e r e a n y o t h e r p r e l i m i n a r y m a t t e r s .
MS. GUTIERREZ: Yes, Judge, I would ask that
t h e C o u r t i n s t r u c t t h e j u r y n o t t o r e a d t h e p a p e r s . I
d i d n ' t b r i n g t h e f r o n t s e c t i o n , b u t i n t h e f r o n t s e c t i o n
o f t o d a y ' s S u n p a p e r s a r e t w o a r t i c l e s a n d a l i t t l e b l u r b
o f t h e e v e n t s g o i n g o n i n P a k i s t a n . A n d t h e l e a d
e d i t o r i a l o n t h e e d i t o r i a l p a g e i s r e g a r d i n g t h e e v e n t s
g o i n g o n i n P a k i s t a n .
T h a t h a s b e e n a n o n g o i n g t h i n g . I w o u l d e x p e c t
i t t o c o n t i n u e . T h e r e i s - - a r e s o m e e v e n t s t h a t a r e
g o i n g o n r i g h t n o w t h a t m a y o r m a y n o t r e s u l t i n s o m e
o t h e r a c t i v i t y, s o I w o u l d e x p e c t i t t o c o n t i n u e t o b e
front page news.
L o t s o f p e o p l e m a y n o t r e a d t h e f o r e i g n n e w s ,
b u t t h e e d i t o r i a l s t h e m s e l v e s a r e g e n e r a l l y r e a d , a n d
!
there's Pakistan in the headline. I think it's very
prejudicial. And I certainly don't want the Court to
draw attention to the Pakistani related articles, but I
guess [ would ask that the Court instruct the jurors
not!
to read the papers.!
THE COURT: MS. GUTIERREZ: this trial.!
THE COURT:!
Not!
to read a newspaper at all? Right, during the
pendency of!
All right.!
Mr. Urick, your position about the instruction that
they should not read the paper for the rest of the
trial?!
MR. URICK:!
been done. The usual admonition is don't read
anything that has tc do with this case.!
THE COL~T: MR. URICK:!
I am not aware of that ever having!
there are now approximately 50 wars going on
around the world, so every potential source of
background is in the news constantly. I don't think
that there's anything unusual about the situation in
Pakistan that would warrant any additional
instruction from this Court.!
THE COURT: All right. I think that, in keeping with
your request, Ms. Gutierrez, I think I'd probably have
to extend it to Newsweek and Time since!
Well, --!
t h e y a r e a w e e k l y p u b l i c a t i o n a n d t h e y u s u a l l y f o l l o w
w h a t e v e r ' s i n t h e h e a d l i n e s , a n d s o i s y o u r r e q u e s t t o
i n c l u d e t h o s e a s w e l l ?
MS. GUTIERREZ: Yes, Judge.
THE COURT: How long do you expect the case to
g o , j u s t g e n e r a l l y ? A n o t h e r t h r e e o r f o u r d a y s ? F i v e
d a y s ? A w e e k ? I m e a n I ' m t r y i n g t o g e t a s e n s e o f h o w
l o n g , i f I w e r e t o g r a n t t h i s r e q u e s t , h o w l o n g t h e y
w o u l d - -
M S . G U T I E R R E Z : I ' d s a y a w e e k a n d a h a l f o f
t r i a l d a y s .
T H E C O U R T: A t t h i s j u n c t u r e , I ' m n o t i n c l i n e d
t o g r a n t a r e q u e s t . H o w e v e r, w h a t I w o u l d l i k e t o d o i s ,
i f i n t h e e v e n t t h e r e i s a h e a d l i n e r e l a t i v e t o a n y
P a k i s t a n i i n v o l v e m e n t , I ' l l e n t e r t a i n y o u r m o t i o n a t t h a t
time.
B e c a u s e a t t h i s p o i n t , I t h i n k o n l y t o m a k e a n
i n s t r u c t i o n t h a t t h e y s h o u l d n ' t r e a d t h e n e w s p a p e r a t
a l l , t h e c u r i o u s w o u l d w a n t t o r e a d i t j u s t t o s e e w h a t
i s w a s t h a t w e ' r e t r y i n g t o k e e p t h e m f r o m n o t s e e i n g .
C u r i o s i t y, I t h i n k i s s o m e t h i n g t h a t I t h i n k
h u m a n n a t u r e w o u l d d i c t a t e , w o n d e r w h a t ' s i n t h e r e . A n d
f r a n k l y, s i n c e t h e C o u r t h a s n o t r e a d t h e n e w s p a p e r, a n d
I d o n ' t n o r m a l l y r e a d t h e n e w s p a p e r, t h i s h a p p e n s t o b e
t h e w a y I a m , I ' m n o w c u r i o u s t o k n o w w h a t i t w a s t h a t
you saw in the newspaper.
S o I ' m u s i n g m y s e l f a s a g u i d e , a n d I d o n ' t
k n o w w h a t ' s g o i n g o n i n P a k i s t a n m y s e l f b e c a u s e I h a v e n ' t
read the newspaper.
MS. GUTIERREZ: There was a coup in Pakistan
a b o u t t w o m o n t h s a g o t h a t s o r t o f i s r e l a t e d t o t h e
h i j a c k i n g o f a n I n d i a n a i r l i n e a n d c o n c e r n s a b o u t
P a k i s t a n ' s c o n t r o l o v e r c e r t a i n n u c l e a r w e a p o n s .
T H E C O U R T: T h a t ' s n o t o n t h e h e a d l i n e s t o d a y ?
M S . G U T I E R R E Z : N o , i t w a s n o t o n t h e f r o n t
page.
T H E C O U R T: I t w a s i n t h e f o r e i g n s e c t i o n ?
M S . G U T I E R R E Z : I n s i d e , t h e b l u r b w a s i n t h a t
p a r t , t h e r e ' s a f o r e i g n n e w s s e c t i o n , t h e r e ' s a b l u r b ,
a n d t h e n t h e e d i t o r i a l w a s o n t h e P a k i s t a n i s i t u a t i o n .
T H E C O U R T: A n d t h a t i s i n t h e S u n p a p e r y o u ' r e
r e f e r r i n g t o ?
MS. GUTIERREZ: Yes.
T H E C O U R T: O k a y. Ve r y w e l l . W h a t I w o u l d
s u g g e s t t o d o , I ' d a s k c o u n s e l t o k e e p m e a d v i s e d i f
s o m e t h i n g o f t h a t n a t u r e m o v e s f r o m t h e b a c k p a g e - - w h a t
I ' m g o i n g t o c a l l t h e b a c k p a g e o r i n s i d e p a g e t o t h e
h e a d l i n e s ; t h a t i t a p p e a r s t o b e a m a j o r s t o r y. I d o
w a t c h t e l e v i s i o n , s o - - a n d I h a v e n ' t s e e n a n y t h i n g
r e a l l y.
MS. GUTIERREZ: There's really been nothing on
t e l e v i s i o n e x c e p t f o r a h a n d f u l o f t h i n g s i n w o r l d n e w s
w r a p - u p t h a t I ' v e s e e n o v e r t h e l a s t t w o m o n t h s . B u t i t
has been in the papers everyday.
T H E C O U R T: W e l l , I w o u l d b e w i l l i n g t o
r e c o n s i d e r y o u r r e q u e s t - -
MS. GUTIERREZ: Okay.
T H E C O U R T: - - i n t h e e v e n t t h a t i t m o v e s t o
t h e f r o n t h e a d l i n e s . A n d t h e n a t t h a t p o i n t , I ' d n e e d t o
a s s e s s e x a c t l y w h a t i t i s t h a t ' s b e i n g r e p o r t e d . A n d I
w o u l d l i k e y o u r v i e w o n h o w y o u b e l i e v e i t e f f e c t s o r
i m p a c t s s p e c i fi c a l l y y o u r c l i e n t a n d t h e t r i a l .
B u t w e h a v e i n t e r v i e w e d a n d v o i r d i r e d t h i s
p a n e l a t l e n g t h o n t h e i s s u e o f a n y p r o b l e m s t h e y m a y
h a v e a s a r e s u l t o f h i s - - I t h i n k w e d i d M i d d l e E a s t e r n ,
A s i a n , a n d P a k i s t a n i b a c k g r o u n d - - o h , a s w e l l a s M u s l i m .
A n d I d o n ' t b e l i e v e t h a t w e w o u l d h a v e a p a n e l
m e m b e r n o w t h a t w o u l d b e i n fl u e n c e d b y t h a t b a s e d o n
t h e i r r e s p o n s e s o r l a c k o f r e s p o n s e t o t h o s e q u e s t i o n s .
S o I ' m f a i r l y c o m f o r t a b l e t h a t t h e j u r o r s w i l l f o l l o w m y
d i r e c t i o n a s I h a v e a s k e d t h e m n o t t o r e a d a n y t h i n g a b o u t
t h i s c a s e .
A n d s o , t h a t a t t h i s p o i n t i s m y p r i m a r y
c o n c e r n . I w o u l d s a y t o y o u , t h o u g h , h o w e v e r, I
u n d e r s t a n d y o u r c o n c e r n . I f t h i s w e r e a d i f f e r e n t