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Kdogg November 26th, 2001, 08:47 PM
I have recently made one by takin a small piece of pipe & drilled holes in it like a shroud. Then put it in a 20oz. pop bottle,
Through holes in both ends. I then put a little tape around my barrel to get a tighter fit inside the pipe. It nearly cut the sound
in half I was surprised. Have any of you ever made one if so please share how well it worked, & how you made it.
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EventHorizon November 27th, 2001, 07:22 AM
Baffle type are simple to make. If you are fortunate to have some metal working equipment you can eaisly fabricate one. If I
can ever get my spare PSU back I can scan the silencer book I have.
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CyclonitePyro November 27th, 2001, 09:23 AM
(In various dreams)
I experimented with the bottle types, I heated the end of them to make them soft and then shot a hole through it to make a
perfectly placed hole, they work well but are not practical and are large.
I make the silencers for my Ruger 10/22, I also have a Bultler Creek folding stock in it and a scope, and some smaller
accessories like an extended mag, release, auto bolt release and bolt buffer.
Use subsonic rounds for it, their velocity is just below the speed of sound so the make no sonic boom while flying, that is
where most of your sound comes from, I buy 500rd bricks of them and they don't last long with a 50rd clip.
The silencer I use now is a piece of 1/2" PVC pipe, it slides right on the barrel and has and L shaped notch in it so it can slide
on past the sight on the end of the barrel and then you twist in so it locks in place and won't slide off. In the middle of it is a
metal washer held in place by small sloped nails and PVC glue, The inner hole of the washer is just right for a .22 bullet. On
the end are two rubber grommets held in place by nails and PVC glue. It is painted flat black and looks just like a
maufactured silencer and works great.
I built it so that neighbors wouldn't complain, and it works well for its purpose. If not for them then I really wouldn't have cared
about the noise.
It works nice for shooting animals, Cananda Geese for example, one drops, and the one next to it has no freakin idea what
happened, where if not for the silencer, the whole flock would have flew away.
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Kdogg November 27th, 2001, 05:05 PM
"If you are fortunate to have some metal working equipment you can eaisly fabricate one." I have every thing I would need,
Cutting/welding torch, plasma cutter, Wire & arc welders, & a metal lathe. Do you have any good ideas? Im thinking of making
it with the same idea, just with a pipe so its smaller than a pop bottle, that way aiming is more accurate.
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CyclonitePyro November 27th, 2001, 08:24 PM
What imaginary gun is this silencer for?
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Kdogg November 28th, 2001, 05:31 PM
If your talking to me, This/these "Imaginary" guns are a Savage .22, & an AR-7 .22. I also have a 30-06, but am not going
slide a metal silincer onto it, as I do not want to scratch it. It is one of my most prized possesions. Oh yeah, I also have an
old bolt action mossberg 20 gauge w/ a 2 round clip. It is also one of my favorites.
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twinkle November 30th, 2001, 04:41 AM
information on a high powered rifle silencer goto here :
http://guns.connect.fi/rs/btxgraaf.html
http://guns.connect.fi/rs/mxgraaf.html
http://guns.connect.fi/rs/Reflex.html
as for improvising (for a .22LR)you can use beerbottle caps which you reshape till they fit nicely in a tube or you could use
aluminium screenwire winded up to a roll and then taped onto a barrel
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Kdogg November 30th, 2001, 03:21 PM
Hey CyclonitePyro so how does your silencer work on your "IMAGINARY" Ruger 10/22. Oh yeah why dont you use your
imagination & think up a shotgun to make a silencer for, so your dont have to use a .22 hunting geese?
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kingspaz November 30th, 2001, 03:31 PM
you can't silence a shotgun can you? someone correct me if i'm wrong since i don't know much about guns. the shot doesn't
make an airtight fit with the barrel so the gas behind the round can't be absorbed by the silencer as the bullet goes past. well
thats how i allways thought a silencer worked.
Cricket November 30th, 2001, 03:37 PM
Someone once said that a loaf of bread over the muzzle will silence a .22 nicely.
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zaibatsu November 30th, 2001, 04:02 PM
I don't know a lot about shotguns, but doesn't the wad (?) make an airtight seal? Anyway, I have seen silenced barrels for
shotguns, advertised in Gun Mart for anyone from the UK
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Predator November 30th, 2001, 04:07 PM
What a good memory you have.. that was my stating a loaf of bread worked nicely in my dream.
Anyone tried that method out yet?
Someone was joking saying we should write out bread-loaf silencer specifications; kaiser rolls for this, buns for that lol
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Cricket November 30th, 2001, 04:17 PM
I thought it was you, but wasn't sure. I live in the city now and can't test it or I would. Maybe on vacation for Chriatmas I will be
able to.
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Kdogg November 30th, 2001, 11:43 PM
"Someone once said that a loaf of bread over the muzzle will silence a .22 nicely."
What a waste of bread!
I have not tried silencing a shotgun before, one mm to the wrong direction & the shot blow it clean off.
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BoB- December 1st, 2001, 01:00 AM
In that same thread it was mentioned that a potato over the muzzle of a .22 would silence it.
I've dreamed of silencing a 30-06 with a watermelon stuck on the barell, worked great.
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HMTD Factory December 1st, 2001, 05:23 AM
Muffling the muzzle changes point of impact a
lot ,so they are not likely practical. An old fashioned silencer is simply a multi-chambered attachment on the muzzle so
the powder gas have time to expand and depressurize before it's released outside(the lower the pressure is, the smaller the
sound)
Anthony December 1st, 2001, 10:19 AM
I've seen silencers for shotguns for sale too.
"one mm to the wrong direction & the ... blow it clean off."
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Surely that's going to be true of almost any projectile?
I can see a melon working as the internal cavity would act as an expansion chamber. But a potato is dense and water soaked
so I doubt it would really absorb any sound. Bread would work well because of the porus nature of it, loads of connected air
pockets that the gas can expand into.
CyclonitePyro December 1st, 2001, 10:20 AM
The silencer I was talking about works great, you 80% of the sound you do hear comes from the bolt clanking back and forth.
That's why I bought the bolt buffer, instead of the bolt hitting a metal pin in the back of the reciever it hits a soft polyurethane
pin, much more quiet.
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Fingerless December 1st, 2001, 03:47 PM
Cyclonite, how long is your PVC silencer? I purchased some 1/2" PVC to make a silencer for my 10/22 but it was about the
same size as the barrel, are you sure thats the size you have? I'll have to get some 3/4 and try it. Are the rubber grommets
on the end of the silencer that slides over the gun muzzle or at the opposite end of the silencer? What purpose does the
washer in the middle of the tube serve? I'm not sure what its for, to create multiple chambers? Thanks, it sounds like a good
system if it works as good as you say, I'd like a quiet system for shooting squirrels in town. I purchased a couple hundred
American Eagle subsonic rounds a month or so a go in plan to do that, but I still need a silencer. Where do I get this
replacement pin at?
Eventhorizon, that would be great if you could put some designs/ideas from your book on.
CyclonitePyro December 4th, 2001, 07:53 PM
Hey, Fingerless, sorry I took so long, I had to sleep and dream to measure it, and remember what the PVC I used is called. I
know what you mean I tried regular 1/2" and it was too small, then I used 3/4" and I had to make a complicated adapter, and
it was less practical.
The PVC I found is called Rigid PVC, get the 1/2" It's grey instead of white, I think it's used for electrical stuff, like putting
wires through. It makes an almost perfect fit. My dream silencer is 10" long and slides over the barrel so 8" protrudes off the
barrel. And yes you're right I used the washer in the center to make two separate chambers. And the grommets go at the end
of your silencer, you don't have to use grommets, you could use washers but I found perfectly fitting grommets. And then just
make sure you find a way to make them stay in place.
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Fingerless December 5th, 2001, 05:32 AM
Good ideas Cyclonite, but where did you get your bolt buffer at for your 10/22? I haven't seen them before, and would like
one.
I've studied up on silencers a bit and am currently developing one for .22's and one for .45's and the .22 is coming along
nicely. I've found a good adapter for the barrel is a large, dense high grade cork. One end of the cork is epoxied into your
silencer tube and the other end is drilled slightly smaller than your barrel and the barrel is slid in. Then a 1/4 inch whole is
drilled all the way through the cork for the bullet. FOr my silencer I'm utilizing a thin aluminum tube with copper cross tubes
inside bedded in probablly epoxy, I don't know yet I'm not that far. Then fiberglass insulation will be put in the spaces and a
washer will be brazed to the end. I'll let you know the complete plans and everything if it works out well.
CyclonitePyro December 5th, 2001, 03:28 PM
O yeah I forgot about that. Go to ebay and type ruger 10/22, you will find a bunch of bolt buffers and other cool accessories,
like a ventilated handguard. Or you could go to www.gunaccessories.com (http://www.gunaccessories.com) they have em
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Kdogg December 5th, 2001, 04:02 PM
Does anyone have any info on a .22 LR full auto converstion??
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EventHorizon December 5th, 2001, 05:36 PM
I've got info on converting the 10/22 to select fire. As soon as I get my scanner up and going I'll scan it.
PS: NBK (or anyone else, I know NBK has mentioned it), do you have a good OCR program. I can't seem to find either of the
top 2 in a full install package, only serials.
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Kdogg December 5th, 2001, 07:30 PM
"I've got info on converting the 10/22 to select fire. As soon as I get my scanner up and going I'll scan it."
That sounds great, I am very interested! Thanks
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twinkle December 6th, 2001, 09:08 AM
I do have drawings of converting a Winchester model 64& model 490 cal .22 for semi and full auto if you like
Kdogg December 6th, 2001, 05:04 PM
Yes, twinkle. Please send them. It would be great for imformational purposes only.
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EventHorizon December 6th, 2001, 09:21 PM
I have the Silencer PDF done, hope its acceptable quality for ya'll.
As soon as I verify that Adobe didn't stick some hidden info in the file somewhere, I'll post to my Yahoo breifcase and post a
link here. Soon to follow, converting the 10/22 to FA.
EDIT:
Here is where to find the file.
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/eventhorizon308
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twinkle December 7th, 2001, 12:06 AM
I will send them as you can tell me where to ? I did not see an email address
SawedOff8gaugeman December 7th, 2001, 11:47 AM
Twinkle, a suggestion: upload them somewhere and then post a link.
Kdogg December 7th, 2001, 05:21 PM
I thought you were going to post them here, Anyways Bigrussel7@hotmail
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twinkle December 8th, 2001, 10:33 AM
I mailed the drawings to Kdogg while I have no idea how to post something on the www but
if you want them to SawedOff8gaugeman I can send them to .
Kdogg December 8th, 2001, 10:37 AM
Thanks Twinkle
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Fingerless December 8th, 2001, 05:36 PM
I got some new ammunition for my .22 today that I have to tell you guys about. One type is called Aguila SSS (Sniper sub
sonic)the other type are called Aguila super colibri's. The SSS's are built on a short case but have a 60(!) grain bullet. Overall
they are the same size and profile as a .22 long rifle and cycle the same as a .22 LR. Due to the bullet being 50% heavier
than a standard solid long rifle bullet, they have much more kinetic energy and "knock down power". They also retain there
speed much better than a standard .22 LR-also, they are subsonic and very quiet, but still have the oomph of a long rifle 40
grainer. They are very consistent and accurate and might make decent target rounds. They drop tree rats and rabbits like a
ton of bricks. I shot a rabbit in the body from 50 yards with my 10/22 today and it was dead by the time I got to it.
THe super colibri is a standard long rifle case, but theres no powder in it! It has a small 20 grain lead bullet that is propelled
by merely the priming compound-don't laugh, its more powerful than it seems. I dented a plate of mild sheet steel from 30
yards or so. I also killed a rabbit today with one cleanly with a head shot from about 25 yards. They are subsonic, and very
quiet, and don't travel too far. But they are extremely consistent and accurate. They are no louder than a air rifle, maybe
quieter, even without a suppressor. I'm not sure of the velocity, its somewhere around 500 FPS I think I read. THe SSS are
950 or so, but I'll check on those numbers. You guys should check these rounds out.
Anyone else have experience with these rounds? What have you concluded? Like/no?
Cyclonite, what subsonic rounds are you shooting-I also got some remington subsonics but they occassionaly go supersonic.
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CyclonitePyro December 9th, 2001, 03:32 PM
I use Remingtons subsonics, I've never had them go supersonic, regular .22 ammo's velocity is between 1055 fps and 1100
fps, the speed of sound is 1055 fps, Remingtons subsonics are 1049 fps, right under the sound barrier, so its like shooting
reg, ammo without the noise.
I'll have to try some other brands, but I probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference since I like to just walk aroung and
randomly unload on shit. I only shoot animals when there is is one unlucky enough to be near me, I don't sit and wait for
animal with my .22
That's where my rifle comes in, when I go hunting I use a Savage .300, I shot a doe in the head this season, always wanted
to do that. It dropped right away, when I walked to it, its legs were still moving and I didn't know at the time if I had a head
shot, and I didn't want it getting up and biting me J/K, so I shot it point blank in the head, again. Messy!
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Anthony December 9th, 2001, 05:42 PM
20gr at 500fps is just over 11ft/lb! No wonder they're about as loud as an air rifle:) Ok for rabits, but people no way.
Kdogg December 9th, 2001, 07:20 PM
All you can basically hear is the click. No boom, nothing, it doesnt even move the action.
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Fingerless December 11th, 2001, 05:18 PM
Yes, surely not enough for people. But excellent for the "backyard" hunter! If you wanted to hunt a person, theoretically of
course, the Aguila SSS pushing a 60 grain bullet at around 900 fps would be very well subsuited-in a closed action and with a
silencer its very quiet I've concluded.
Jhonbus December 13th, 2001, 12:04 AM
Just a note about the use of a potato as a silencer. While doing some research (actually on a semi/full auto air gun "potato
gun") I found this document:
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Interior Ballistic Deformation, by Mike Haag (Albuquerque New Mexico P.D.)
Abstract:
None.
During the investigation of a murder in Albuquerque, eight bullet fragments were recovered from the victim and potato
fragments were recovered from the scene. The victim was shot three times.
It appears that the potato was used as a silencer placed over the barrel of the firearm used in the murder. The potato found
at the scene was tested and positive reactions for lead residues was noted.
Additional tests were conducted to see if a potato actually worked as a silencer. Mr. Haag's results found that the potato did
not effectively silence a revolver. A potato used on a semi-auto firearm did reduce the volume of the gunshot.
The potato reduced bullet velocities from around 950 feet per second to near 600 feet per second.
The bullets recovered from having been fired with the potato on the barrel were very elongated and "wasp-waisted". Mr. Haag
found that when the potato was placed on the barrel a plug of potato is pushed into the barrel. With the rest of the potato
removed, bullets fired down the barrel had this deformation. He concluded the bullet deformation was occurring in the barrel
and not externally.
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atropine January 5th, 2002, 02:12 PM
ive seen a silenced shotgun in my local gunshop, the thing is so huge and bulky i doubt it is practical enough to bother with. I
asked how much it silences the crack. He said about 10% on a good day. Oh and in a dream i made a silenced zip gun
running from primer driven pellets. The silencer appeared to be a piece of aluminium tubing with a series of spacers and
baffles. If i could have heard anything in this dream i would have said that it silenced the bang very very nicely, to about that
of a co2 pistol.
zaibatsu January 5th, 2002, 03:57 PM
Thats why you use subsonic ammo with the silenced shotguns, although there is a point to using a silencer with a supersonic
load (be it bullet or shot) thats not really what people are talking about in this thread.
shane May 29th, 2002, 04:08 AM
i have in a folder of some improvised explosives and within that is a list of where you can get product and one of the is a
silence "kit" as a kit it is not legal to purchase (as far as i know i live in australia so my knowledge of american law is a bit
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sketchy)but you can attach this silencer on a ruger mark 1 (i think i have the address and info stored away)but if anyone
wants the address give me a buzz at [email protected] any other stuff you want to know about let me know
xoo1246 May 29th, 2002, 04:15 PM
Mmm, I wish I had an imaginary Ruger Mk II. Gun laws around here forces you to join a shooting club and be in it for two
month before buying one. I'll probably have to do that.
McGuyver May 29th, 2002, 11:42 PM
If someone had a metal lathe and all the goodies for making metal into nice things, they could fabricate a pipe that was the
perfect diameter for their bullet. They could even rifle it. Many holes would then be put in this piece of pipe. The holes allow
the gases to go into your air chamber(below) instead of out the muzzle. Then two washers could be welded onto the two ends
of the pipe maybe a 1/2 an inch away from the end. The holes would only be between the two washers. Then, on the outside
of the washers(or outer edge) there would be a piece of pipe to create a nice air chamber for the rapidly expanding gases. The
pipe would of course be welded to the washers. The barrel could be threaded inside or out, and then your silencer could also
be threaded to make a removable silencer in case some pigs catch you using it, and you have to chuck it somewhere. You will
have to work on threading yourself because every gun is different. You can also vary length and volume of air chamber to your
specs. Make sure everything is perfect, you wouldn't want it blowing up in your face. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]"
src="eek.gif" /> It may be a good idea to make the inner pipe a bit larger were the bullet first enters. Test it by puting a tight
fitting dowel or something that fits tight inside the silencer, through the silencer, and into the barrel, if there is any (I mean
any!) resistance between the the silencer and barrel do something about it. Also, make sure the bullet fits without any
resistance. You should also test it from a distance a few times just to be on the safe side-like standing behind a tree or
something that will stop metal shards. This should make the gun just as accurate as it was before the silencer but much
quieter. I built a silencer like Cyclonite's but without 2 chambers and quite a bit longer. It is great for silencing but the accuracy
is not to good. I would love to make a silencer like this but I do not have all the metal fabrication goodies needed, mind you
this all came from a dream.
Probe June 2nd, 2002, 10:29 AM
OOOOK, here it gos, I recently have aquired a .22 for myself, and want to make a silencer for it (that bitch is loud, bolt action,
and the clip didnt work { falling apart }, so now its basicly breech loaded, anyways back to the quiestion), I have no metal
working tools, and I would prefur to use PVC because I already have some laying around. My barrle is unthreaded( :( ) and
such so it will be a bit harder. Does anyone have any plans they got layin around for this purpose? I dont have exact
mesurements but I'll get 'em if you need them.
I need it to be pretty small, and I'll probobly have a tripple chamber, 1 pipe inside another and the one that the bullet pass's
through will have holes and 2 chambers to expand better. Any input would be apriciated(sp?) ty :) , forgot to mention the
annoying neghbores(sp) who dis-aprove of guns. :rolleyes:
CyclonitePyro June 2nd, 2002, 01:26 PM
A .22 loud?, Do you mean in comparison to othere .22's?, .22's are quiet compared to other guns. Is shooting legal where you
live? If so find a place to shoot so that it isn't dangerous to anyone and annoy those scum sucking neighbors of yours, unless
your parents are on good terms with them.
Your goal of finding a silencer is no different from the other people here, I wish I had a threaded barrel. Try to see if you have
"rigid PVC" that fits on the end of most .22's, it is grey 1/2" pipe that is meant for containing electrical lines. Also, read above
what was written in the past.
Fl4PP4W0k June 2nd, 2002, 01:49 PM
Hey guys, has anyone ever made an, ahem, "Zip" Gun using standard .22 primers and Air Rifle pellets?
I had an interesting idea that kinda expanded on my old .22primer\6mm graphite BB trick....
Basically, its using a .22 primer and a .22 air rifle pellet but with an air rifle barrel. Would anyone thats maybe tried this
method compare power with a standard 850+fps air rifle?
As i do not have an air rifle, i can not compare power :\
(the only air guns i have are 12ga+ :D )
By using this with a silencer and standard break action, it would be pretty good fer taking down the odd backyard kritters that
may roam into your domain :mad:
About the silencer.... I was thinking about a vented 6mm tubing that fits the air rifle pellet pretty well, and releases to a
15mm PVC pipe length - the gap filled with that non-static foam???
Any suggestions or info,
thx
rob
Probe June 3rd, 2002, 01:41 AM
No, my .22 is VERY loud, you can hear it for about a mile, thanks for the help with the pipe, I'll grab one in the morning. And
I'm underaged for a firearm, I'm not going to go out killing people, just shoot targets in my backyard (filled with flashpowder
of course.)
I piss off the neighbors already, I told them that it was an air rifle when they came over wondering what the noise was. They
responded "Thats one loud air rifle" I ended up saying "Yeah it uses a whole CO2 cartridge at once"
xoo1246 June 3rd, 2002, 04:07 PM
Fl4PP4W0k: I once tried to load some friction/heat/shock sensitive mixture I extracted from some caps (you use when you
fish on the ice, like larger toy caps) behind a .177 air rifle bullet. This was some time ago, anyway, the speed was icreased
and it was noticable better in pentrating targets. I helpt eroding the barrel too.
I doubt you can hear a .22 from a mile in urban/woody areas.
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Anthony June 4th, 2002, 08:10 PM
Fl4PP4W0k, I'd forget the primer and just use a .22LR blank if you can't get complete .22 rounds. An air rifle pellet is a bit
light but it will give you more muzzle energy than most air rifles.
Fl4PP4W0k June 5th, 2002, 07:13 AM
Yer, thx Anthony - but you need a license for blank ammunition in backwards Australia methinks. I know that .22 primers are
purchaseable in tins of 100 at the local army surplus store.. so that is me reason for the preoject :D
But ofcourse, if one can get .22 Blanks, then by all means they would be better. Im just proposing something that is totally
license free, but more powerful than a good air rifle ( as you need a license for even THEM!!!)
l8r,
rob
ShotgunsAreFun June 5th, 2002, 08:35 AM
.22 primers from a surplus store in Australia?! We cant buy air rifle pellets! Where do you get primers from?
Fl4PP4W0k June 5th, 2002, 09:42 AM
*evil grin*
muhuhahahaha
>:]
What state are you in?
Bcoz in WA, they arent considered munitions. :D
$12.50 for a tin of 100
Not too bad...
ShotgunsAreFun June 5th, 2002, 09:07 PM
I hate NSW.
Can primers be sent through the mail? I mean, in a box or something. Or do they x-ray them? I know that primers can be
used as the propellant for practice bullets, they send a plastic round out at 300-400 fps... a couple of those behind a blowdart
should be interesting :D
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electric emu June 5th, 2002, 10:48 PM
Im pretty sure you can order through the mail with out hazardous shipping through a place like natchezs or lock stock barrel. I
dont know about austrailia. and how do you get .22 primers thats a rimfire caliber and its built in unless you take it apart on
your own.
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Magas June 6th, 2002, 04:51 AM
Primers can't be sent through the mail in oz as they are classed as explosives. You do need a license to buy blanks for a 22
however you don't need a license to by Ramset charges which are 22 blanks just be over 18 stupid laws :)
Fl4PP4W0k June 6th, 2002, 05:50 AM
They arent technically "primers", theyre actually crimped .22 brass that only contains a primer, about half the length of a .22
short casing.
l8r
Whitey June 7th, 2002, 09:57 PM
probe if you just want to quiet the gun down for target practice you could use quieter ammo. Try "cb caps" made by CCI. They
are low powered rounds and are about 3/4 of the length of a regular .22lr. I have tried them myself and they are about as
loud as a pellet gun. I would reccomend these because if you get caught with the gun you don't want to get busted for a
silencer as well. Also if someone sees your rifle with a piece of pipe hanging off the muzzle they will know what it is.
The downside is that they usually don't have enough power to cycle a semi auto. But that doesn't matter since your rifle is a
single shot bolt action anyway.
PYRO500 June 8th, 2002, 03:07 AM
I have herd of those cb pellets, I herd they were just a primer driving a very light projectile. I think they are just for short
range/indoor paper punch and I would suspect they would do a little less damage than a cheapo rusted out 20 buck pellet
gun. a while back someone (NBK2000?) posted a link to silent cartredge ammo that would need no silencer and had
something with the cartrage to absorb most of the gas so there wasn't that loud a blast. The downside was reduced lethality