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Liberty Seated The E-Gobrecht Collectors Club 2012 Volume8,Issue11 TheElectronicNewsletteroftheLIBERTYSEATEDCOLLECTORSCLUB November2012(Whole#94) AuctionNews 2 New Dime Rarity Identified ! byJimGray UpcomingLSCC 2 Events TheLSCC’s40th 3 AnniversaryUpdate byDennisFortier RegionalNews 4 byGerryFortin TheCurious 5 Collector byLenAugsburger LSCCHistorian 5 Wanted VarietyPricing 5 GuideFeedback QuarteroftheMonth 6 byGregJohnson SecondFinest1839 7-8 F-105b PieShatteredOb- verseLibertySeated Dime IdentifiedandPur- chased byGerryFortin SubscriberCorre- 8 spondence An1860-SQuarter 9 witha“Hole” byGaryRosner FreeAdvertisements 10 Longrecognizedas amajor LibertySeateddimerarity,this 1839 F-105b PieShatteredObversedimeis nowthesecondfinest known. It was recently LSCCInformation 11 identifiedinanOhiocollectionandpurchasedbyGerryFortin. See complete details inthearticlebyGerryonpage7ofthis issueofthe E-Gobrecht. TheE-GobrechtisanawardwinninginformalelectronicpublicationoftheLibertySeatedCollectorsClub(LSCC). TheLSCCisanon-profitorganizationdedicatedtotheattributionsoftheLibertySeatedCoinseries. TheLSCCpro- videstheinformationcontainedinthisemailnewsletterfromvarioussourcesfreeofchargeasageneralserviceto themembershipandotherswiththisnumismaticinterest. YoudonothavetobeaLSCCmembertobenefitfromthis newsletter;subscriptiontotheE-Gobrechtisavailabletoanyone. Alldisclaimersareineffectasthecompleteness and/oraccuracyoftheinformationcontainedhereincannotbecompletelyverified. Contactinformationisincludedat onthelastpage. Page2 The E-Gobrecht Auction News by Jim Gray, LSCC #664 TheHeritage Dallas Salefea- An1839NoDraperyhalfdollarsoldfor$1,293in turedan1840-O withdrapery VF35and anice1844-O doubledaterealized$4,553 halfdimeinAU53that soldfor inAU50. An1855-S inVG10didnot sell andan $1,528,but alovely1844-O XF451856-S was worth $1,234. AVF301870-CC gradedMS61CAC didnot sell. withareversecountermarkstill got $2,978whilean An1846VG8hit $1,028andan XF40duplicate was worth$9,929. Two1872-CC 1853-ONAwas worth$1,469inVF35. pieces gradedXF40and XF45hit $1,880andnosell. An1873NAopen3inVF25,andniceforthe grade, An1860-Odimesoldfor $1,998inVF30anda well soaredto$12,925. struck1871-CC inAU50soaredto$19,975. An 1885-S gradedMS62hit $6,756. Achoice1871-CC dollargradedVF35hit $12,925. AVF201872-CC with(LI)BE(RTY)not visible and AF121852-Oquartersoldfor$823andanatural anotherinXF45weresoldfor$4,406and$9,400. graytoned1856-S hit the sameamount inVF35. Threenice1858-S pieces gradedVF30,AU53, and Alargenumberofthese coins hadasignstatingto AU58realized$1,880,$4,406,and$5,581. 1859-S makeanoffertotheowner. BythetimetheHeritage and1866-S,bothVF35, cost $2,233and$2,585. A commissionandtheamount that theownerwanted niceoriginal AU501872-S was worth$10,575. A wouldraisethepricecloseto25%morethanit real- problem freeVF351873-CC Arrows continuedthe izedintheauction. strong prices fortherare CC quarters withabidof $19,975. An1891-O gradedVF25hit $1,410. Upcoming LSCC Events 2012-2013LSCCdues(abargain$20)payableimmediatelyto LSCC Secretary/Treasurer, Len Augsburger,P.O.Box 6114,VernonHills, IL60061. November9-10,2012,Marlborough,MA,BayStateShow,Best WesternRoyal PlazaHotel (notenewlocation), LSCC table,10AM to7PM, locatedontheboursefloor. November16,2012,Baltimore, MD,WhitmanCoinandCollectibles Expo,East Coast LSCC Regional meeting, 9A.M., room TBD. LateNovember2012,Gobrecht Journal postal mailedtoall current members. November30,2012,Deadlineforordering LSCC 40thAnniversarymedal. 2012 Volume 8,Issue 11 (November 2012) Page3 The LSCC’s 40th Anniversary Update by Dennis Fortier, LSCC #2016 Thelast few weeks have seensome good This is unfortunate. Perhaps Icouldsolicit aletter to press in TheNumismaticNewsandCoin World for theeditorabout what yourmembershipinthe LSCC the40thAnniversaryMedal. Coin World (Sept 17th has meant to you and yourcollectinggoals. How edition)devotedafull page andaquarter (minus ad- about astoryabout how knowledge gained from an- vertisements)as well as picturingthemedal onpage othermemberleads toa great Cherrypick,ormaybe 3thecontents page. NumismaticNews(Sept 11th aconnectiontoasignificant purchasethroughaclub edition)gaveus about athirdofapageandincluded member? Personal experiences likethesearewhat myemail address forordering. Sofar I’vereceived this clubis all about. Can yousharesomethingwith fiveinquires from non-members interestedinmed- your fellowmembers? Eventothankthemember als. whomadeit possible? GerryFortininforms me therehavebeen200 Don’t forget youprocrastinators, November downloads ofthemedal orderform ontheclubweb- 30this thelast daytoorder yourmedals. sitetodate. That is veryencouraging. LenAugs- burgeris currentlyswampedwithmembershipre- [Editor’s note: Photos of theproof clubmedal are newals andis unabletoupdateus oncurrent medal depictedbelow. For thoseof youwhoactuallysaw ordertotals. Lendoes a great jobas clubTreasurer; themedal at theannual clubmeetinginPhiladel- it’s alot ofworkandwe owehim a great deal of phia,it is absolutelybeautiful andis atremendous thanks fordoingit. mementoof theclub’s founding. Consider ordering asatinor proof silver versionor thegoldexample. Last month, Isuggested a40th Anniversary Completeinformationonthemedal witha Gobrecht Journaledition. Iregret toreport Ididnot downloadableorder formis containedontheclub’s receiveasingleresponse offeringtowrite anarticle. websiteatwww.lsccweb.org.] Photos of oneof thetwoLSCC40th Anniversarymedal Proof silver“Trial Strikes” Page4 The E-Gobrecht Regional News by Gerry Fortin, LSCC #1054 Alight Octobertravel schedule just heardback from Ed Aleo,theBayStateShow allowedmetostayhome in organizer. Edinformed methereis noprivate room Maineforoverthreeweeks. at thenewlocationtostageourregional meetings. Duringthat time, Iwas ableto However,the LSCC will haveatableset withadis- give LibertySeatednumismat- playofthecoppertrial strike40thAnniversary ics someattentionincludingthe medal alongwithotherSeatedcoinageitems. Hope- 1839F-105bPieShatteredOb- fullywe’ll continueoursuccess at smallershows and versevarietypurchaseandupdatethe LibertySeated addafewnewmembers. Thedates forBayState Dimeweb-bookforimprovediPaddisplay. The showareNovember9-10,10A.M. to7P.M. The homeleaveis overandthisE-Gobrechtregional newlocationis theBest WesternRoyal PlazaHotel, news issueis beingwrittenafterbeingthelast Octo- 181BostonPost Rd(West),Marlborough,MA." ber29flight out ofPortlandduetoHurricaneSandy. Mythoughts remainwith fellow LSCC friends Afterthe BayStateshow,the LSCC returns caught inthedirect pathofSandy's wrathandpray toits homebaseat theBaltimoreWhitmanCoins thefloodingandpoweroutages arenot toosevere. andCollectibles Expothefollowingweek. Are- MywifeDianeis preparedwithageneratorand10 gional meetingis scheduledforNovember16 at gallons of extragas. Let's hopethereserves arenot 9:00am.As usual, LenAugsburger, LSCC Secre- necessary. tary/Treasurer will host themeetingandprovide club update. November LSCC regional activitywill be takingplaceontheEast coast withseparateevents in Ournext major LSCC regional meeting thegreaterBoston areaandBaltimore,Maryland. event will beheldat the WinterFUNShowinOr- ThelongstandingBayStateShowhas beenoffi- lando,FL. Plans from Jason Feldman,SouthRe- ciallymoved from BostontoMalborough,MAthis gional Director,will beforthcomingintheDecember year. Afterremaininginclosecontact withthe Bay E-Gobrechtissue. StateShowpromoter,Dennis Fortier,ourNortheast Regional Director,passedalongthis information, "I Photoat right: Mr.HalfDime, akaStephenCrain,discussing thebenefits of LSCC membershipanddisplaying selectionfrom his fabulous LibertySeatedhalf dimecollectionat the LSCC tableat theOctober 2012Manchester,NHCoinExpo. 2012 Volume 8,Issue 11 (November 2012) Page5 The Curious Collector by Len Augsburger, LSCC #1271 Len is takingthis month off fromwritingandnumismaticactivities to con- centrateon his New York CityMarathon trainingschedule. Even though NYCwas devastated byhurricaneSandy,theeventwill takeplaceonSun- day,November4th. Keep Len in yourthoughts andwishhimluck. Look forhimin this column next month. Note: the two announcements below were run the previous two months but responses were negligi- ble. Here they are again for a third try... LSCC Historian Wanted!  40thAnniversaryofthe LSCC is next year.  Volunteerhelpwanted!  Weneedsomeonetodocument thehistoryofthe LSCC beforeit is lost forever.  Youmakethejob. Possibilities include:  Interviewinglongtimemembers  Gatherandsearchclubrecords  Document theclub’s past history,people, awards, andevents.  Chroniclefuturemajor events.  Interested? Pleaseemail LSCC VicePresident Bill Bugert [email protected]. Variety Pricing Guide Feedback Wanted! Recently,various clubmembers haveexpressedtheir ingincludingthedepthofinformationwanted,listed desireandneedfora LibertySeatedvarietypricing grades, listedvarieties, availablemediafor thedata, guide. In a gross simplification,“prices”forall de- dealerversus collectorimplications, andworkload nominations withmajorandminorvarieties would requirements. beavailableinvarious grades toaidbuyers andsell- Theclubofficers areseeking yourfeedback ers. Onbehalfoftheideaoriginators, John onthis ideaandrequest that you email yourthoughts McCloskeypresentedthis ideaat the LSCC annual totheE-Gobrechteditor at [email protected]. meeting. Results will bepublishedinafutureissueofthe E- Somediscussions wereheardafterthemeet- Gobrecht. Page6 The E-Gobrecht Quarter of the Month by Greg Johnson, LSCC #1460 This monthis thethirdinafour surveys, but LarryBriggs,inaDecember14,2007 part series onseatedquarterva- articlein“TheCoinDealerNewsletterMonthlySup- rieties left offoftheTop 25list plement”describedtheissueas “Rarest varietyof the forbeingtoorare. September’s year…Presentlyonly3coins knownofthis variety.” columnfeaturedthe1854thin dateandOctober’s the1856Flag Ihavesearcheddiligentlyforthis variety of6intheShield. since2004,watchingeBay, LibertySeatedspecialist dealerinventories, and2-4majorshows per year This monthwewill discuss the1857-O duringthat time. Ihave confirmedthe existenceof8 Briggs 7-C withthetopof “18”intheobversedenti- examples inall grades andconditions. Several coins cles belowthedate(Figure1and2). Thereverse, that havebeenattributed bydealers as Briggs 7-C whichalso pairs withobverse6(verylowdate),has haveproventobemisattributeduponcloseinspec- several distinctiveclash marks (Figure3). Thedie tion. It is likelythat therearemoreunattributed pairwas described as “therarest varietyofthe year” specimens that exist,butthevarietyremains ex- in LarryBriggs’ComprehensiveEncyclopediaof tremelyrareandhardtolocate. Onlyoneofthe UnitedStates LibertySeatedQuarters(Lima,OH knownexamples is certifiedandnone gradebetter 1991). It was not includedineitherthe1993or2007 thanabout ChoiceXFto AU50. Clockwisefrom above: Figures 1,2,and3ofthe rare 1857-OBriggs 7-C LibertySeatedquarterdollar with thetopof “18”intheobversedenticles belowthe date. 2012 Volume 8,Issue 11 (November 2012) Page7 Second Finest 1839 F-105b Pie Shattered Obverse Liberty Seated Dime Identified and Purchased by Gerry Fortin, LSCC #1054 LibertySeateddimevarietyspecialist GerryFortinis OnOctober13,thePCGS gradeddimewas pleasedtoannouncethat ahigh grade1839 F-105b returnedtoJohninanEF45holderand,as aresult, PieShatteredObversedimewas recentlyidentified confirmedthe existenceofthesecond finest graded byCelina,OhioattorneyandcollectorJohnSacher. 1839F-105bvariety. Johnand IbelievedthePCGS Johnmadeinitial contact withGerryFortinduring gradewas afairassessment ofthedime’s overall thelateAugust 2012timeframeandreportedthe dis- stateofpreservationas minorwearpoints arevisible coveryoftherare1839varietyinhisRedBooklist- at theleft breast andlowerlegabovetheknee. Now ingcollectionbasedoninformationfrom the that thedime’s originalityand gradehadbeenascer- www.seateddimevarieties.comwebsite. Several con- tained,abriefpricingdiscussionoccurredresulting versations withJohnensuedwiththepieshaped inamutuallyagreed financial transactionthat was to shatteredobversedie characteristics beingdescribed remainundisclosedduringthesubsequent announce- byphone alongwitha general overviewofthe ment ofthedime’s discovery. dime’s preservationstate. Johnindicatedthedime was inahigher gradebut withdarkersurfaces and, Uponreceipt ofthe1839 dimeonOctober importantly,was forsale. Therewas agreement that 25, Iimmediatelycomparedthediestate withthat of thedimewouldbefirst submittedtoPCGS forveri- theKamal Ahwash plate coininhisEncyclopedia of ficationand gradingpriortoapurchasediscussion. UnitedStates LibertySeatedDimes 1837–1891and Johnalso emailedseveral images ofthedimepriorto notedthat bothspecimens areinthesame approxi- TPGsubmissionwhichconfirmedthelatediestate matelatediestatewiththeheavyvertical die crack natureoftheshatteredobverse. (Continuedonpage8) Page8 The E-Gobrecht 105bpieshatteredobverseremains extremelyrare (Continuedfrompage7) andcurrentlytheauthoris awareoffive examples throughthedate’s 8digit andprogressingfullyinto extant as follows: theupperrim at Star7. Thehorizontal diecrack contacts thevertical diecrackat theobversedie’s 1. PCGS AU55. Thefinest exampleis theKamal centerpoint andmoves intotheright rim at Star13. Ahwash and Brian Greer platecoinandresides inthe As withtheAhwash platecoin,thereversedieon collectionofDr.Tim Cook. this newspecimenis without diagnosticpoints. 2. PCGS XF45. Thesecondfinest gradingexam- Overall,this PCGS EF45specimenexhibits nice pleas identifiedinthis articleandresidinginthecol- original surfaces withan evenbrownish graypatina lectionofGerryFortin. that is slightlyheavieron thereverse. Thelight sil- 3. PCGS G6. This dimeis ownedbyDaleMiller vercontrast oftheobversediecracks against the as part ofhis Top100 LibertySeatedDimevarieties darkerbackgroundcreates amemorableplatecoin collection. imageofthis rarevariety. This magnificent speci- 4. PCGS G6. This coinresides inJason Feldman’s menis afittingplatecoin upgradeformywebbased LibertySeateddimecollection. Seateddimevarieties guide. This guide was instru- 5. PCGS G6. Theformer mental inaidingJohnSachertoproperlyattribute his www.seateddimevarieties.comweb-bookplate coin 1839dimeanddiscover animportant numismatic andcurrentlyavailable forplacement intoanimpor- treasure. tant LibertySeateddime varietycollection. Nowthat asecondhigh grade1839 F-105b specimenhas appeared,somebackgroundonthis As Always….HappyHunting! variety’s rarityis warranted. Clearlythe1839 F- Subscriber Correspondence From Dennis Garstang:Irecentlyspokeat theJohnson County(Kansas) CoinClub. Mytopicwas Lib- ertySeatedDollars. Therewereapproximately75collectors inattendance. [Editor’s note: Thanks for ad- vancingtheLibertySeatedcause.] From ScottLingo: Ireceived theE-Gobrecht andwas surprisedtoseeon page13infoonthe1873 Open 3that I(andalot ofothers)foundoneBay. As soon as Ifoundthe coin...mysuspicions werefirst aroused when Isawthat thecoin wasn't slabbed. Yes, Iknowthereare afewpeopleout therethat don't knowabout theopen3but theyaresorarethat toseea raw exampleraisedbyconcern. Secondwas myconcernover theareaaroundthedate wherethe arrows would be. It appearedtomethat theyhadbeenre- moved...especiallythe arrowontheleft sideofthedate. Iwas just not willingtotakea chanceona coin, especiallya rarecoin,that Iwasn't absolutelysure it was genuine. Concerningthe40thAnniversaryCoins....Ihavealreadyorderedbytwosilvercoins but has anyone consid- eredsendingthem toPCGS andhavingthem certified…thensellingthem? PCGS certifies alot ofcoins whynot these. Might be agoodsellingpoint. [Editor’s comment: Great ideabut accordingtoinforma- tiononthePCGSwebsite,“PCGSwill [only] grademedals or tokens that wereofficiallymintedbythe U.S.Mint.Theymust be abletofit insidethePCGSholder.” Hence,theLSCC 40thanniversarymedal does not quality.] 2012 Volume 8,Issue 11 (November 2012) Page9 An 1860-S Quarter with a “Hole” by Gary Rosner, LSCC #2085 Attachedaretwopictures, obverseand reverse,of a inventoryingtheholedlowgrade U.S.andthefor- 1860-S quarterdollar withaholeinit. Ihopewhen eign coins. At first Ithought thequarterwas an1860 someofthereaders seeit that it doesn’t causetoo Philadelphiaandthenwhen Iflippedit over Iwas muchmental anguish. pleasedtoseeit was an1860-S. Ihaveasmall col- lectionof LibertySeated quarterdollars but Iknew Thecoincamefrom an auctionlot that I that the‘S’mints areratherscarce. Iopenedupmy bought in2007. Includedinthis lot weremostly CoinDealer’s Newsletter andwhen Isawan1860-S U.S.coins, someforeign, andapartial typeset of was $600bid inGoodthen Igot excited. I’ll keep coins all withholes inthem. Itookout the few coins thecoinformycollectionbecauseit comes withthis that Ineeded formycollectionat thetimeandthen neat littlestory. onlylookedat theothercoins, includingtheones withtheholes inthem,brieflyandput them awayfor [Editor’s note: Garyis arelativelynew LSCC mem- anotherday. ber. Wewelcomethis first article.] That otherdaywas afew nights ago(over5 years later)when Ifinallygot aroundtobeginthetask of Page 10 The E-Gobrecht Free Advertisements Buying Dr.EugeneBruderis constantlyupdatinghis web- PCGS/CAC TopPop MS and PR site,www.typecoins.com,whichfeatures anicese- Seated25C and50C lectionofbust andseated material forsale. Pictures Will payretail orabovefortopeye are generallyavailableforall coins, andcanbeob- appeal coins that Ineedformypersonal sets. tainedifnot posted. He will also takeconsignments [email protected] forexposureat shows andthewebsite.He attends most majorshows, andwill tryto accommodate Dick Osburn RareCoinsspecializes inearlyU.S. want lists. Youcanreach him at 530-894-0922or Silvercoinage,particularlyLibertySeatedand Bust email at:[email protected]. material. Pleasevisit our website www.dickosburn.comto viewourextensiveinven- Brian Greer, well knowndealer, collector,and nu- tory. 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