E-Gobrecht, vol. 9, no. 2

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Liberty Seated
The E-Gobrecht Collectors Club
2013 Volume9,Issue2
TheElectronicNewsletteroftheLIBERTYSEATEDCOLLECTORSCLUB
February2013(Whole#97)
AuctionNews 2
Full House at byJimGray
UpcomingLSCC 2
FUN Show Regional Meeting Events
40thAnniversary 3
Activities
GerryFortinreports: byDennisFortier
CallforLSCCHallof 3
Afull houseis thebest waytodescribethe LSCC FUNshow regional meeting
FameNominations
withover30clubmembers and guests inattendance. LSCC officers andre-
gional directors present included LenAugsburger, CraigEberhart,Jason RegionalNews 4
byGerryFortin
Feldman,GerryFortin,andStevePetty,andformer LSCC VicePresident, Larry
Briggs. Jason Feldmanbrought themeetingtoorderpromptlyat 9:00am and TheCurious 4-5
guided attendees through multiplepresentations andathought provokingques- Collector
byLenAugsburger
tionandanswersession. GerryFortinprovidedinformationonthe1839F-105b
PieShatteredObverse LibertySeateddimevarietyandhis recent purchase ofan QuarteroftheMonth 6
byGregJohnson
PCGS EF45example. As always, metallurgist andmintingexpert Chris Pilliod
providedawell researcheddiscussionofdoubledieoccurrences across Liberty Subscriber 7
Seatedcoinagedenominations. Jason wrappedup themeetingwithapresenta- Correspondence
tionentitled,"WhenThings GoWrong"andsolicitedaudienceinputs onseveral
Reminder! 7
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Page2 The E-Gobrecht
Auction News
by Jim Gray, LSCC #664
TheHeritage FUNsale con- light grayXF451878-CC realized$5,288.
tainedan1838-Odimein MS61 AXF401852dollarsoldfor$34,075. Iwonder
for$2,978whiledeeplytoned what myAU58piecewouldbeworthtoday. 1855
1843-Oand1860-O,both dollars inVF25andMS61hammeredfor$4,994and
gradedVF30,realized$1,058 $12,396. AG41872-CC,niceforthe grade,sold for
and$1,998.1871-CC and1872- $2,350. Acleaned1873-CC withXFdetails soared
CC,bothwithAUdetails andserious environmental to$23,500.
damage,ekedout $1,998 and$1,410. Two1874-CC The Stack’s BowersAmericanaandRarities
dimes gradedXF40and AU50wereworth$21,150 Night had anumberof great coins but manyofthem
and$29,375. Adeeplytoned1885-S inVF35went didnot sell. An1838-OdimeinAU58soldfor
for$1,763 $1,998andawell struck MS611858-S went for
1842-OSDquarters gradedG4 andVF20,both $7,050
niceforthe grade,soldfor$588and$2,233. An AnAU501849-Oquarterdid not sell but ablue
1849-OinG6hit $1,308.1851-Opieces graded tonedduplicateinXF40 realized$7,050. AVF30
VF20andMS60hammeredfor$1,177and$8,225. 1858-S didnot sell
An1852-O gradedAU55 soldfor$9,988inspiteof Rarities Night had a wonderful AU531873-CC
darkspots at stars 12and 13.Anoriginal 1856-S in dimethat was well struck andnicelytonedwas the
XF45hit $2,820andadeeplytoned1864-S went for best at PCGS except foraMS65but didnot sell.
$2,115inVF25. Awell tonedVF301866-S sold for Awell struckMS651876-CC twentycent piece
$1,528. AVG61870-CC withascratchsoaredto rangthebell for$564,000
$9,988. Anice1871-S gradedXF40soldfor$4,700 DesirableMS661865-S,MS641868-S and
whileacleaned1872-S withXFdetails hit $7,638.A MS631872-S quarters didnot sell
choiceVF201891-Osoldfor$999. NiceMS61andMS621857-S halves didnot sell
An1844-Odoubledatehalf gradedAU50sold nordidaPR55Gobrecht dollarfrom theissueof
for$4,113andan1847/46withlovelybluetoning 3/37. An1872-CC dollargraded AU55,but with
soaredto$11,750. AniceVG101866-S NM was weakness on Liberty’s headandtheadjacent stars,
worth$588andaVF30 1872-CC hit $1,293. An soldfor$11,162.
1873open3inAU58rangthebell for$28,200anda
Upcoming LSCC Events
February1-2,2013,Manchester, NH,CoinandCurrencyExpo, LSCC tableandregional
meetingon February2 at 2PM.
February7,2013,LongBeach,CA, LongBeach Coins, StampandCollectibles Expo,Spe-
cialLSCC Regional Meeting,7PM, RockBottom Restaurant and Brewery, first roundfree!
March15,2013,Baltimore,MD,WhitmanCoin&Collectibles BaltimoreExpo,LSCC Re-
gional meeting,9AM, room TBD.
SurveyResponses due,LibertySeated Quarter DollarTop 25Varieties,April 5,2013,see
LSCC Wintermailings.
April 26,2013,Schaumberg,IL,Central States Convention, LSCC Regional meeting,9AM.
2013 Volume 9,Issue 2 (February 2013) Page3
40th Anniversary Medal Update
by Dennis Fortier, LSCC #2016
As ofthis publicationthe LSCC’s 40thAnniversarymedals shouldhavebeenstruck. The final tallyis:
 130silversatin
 180silverproof
 23goldproof
This clubshouldbecalledtheprocrastinator’s club. Weset theofficial deadlineat November30th
andunofficiallyextended it toDecember31st. Wereceivedourlast order aroundthemiddleofJanuary
about aweekorso beforeDanCarrwas tostrikethemedals. Soweweretakingorders right upuntil the
final minuteas it were.
Weexpect tohavethesilverfordistributionat theBaltimoreShowinMarchwithmembers not at
Baltimorereceivingtheirs inthemail shortlythereafter. The goldmedals will bemaileddirectlytothe
members. Webelievedthis procedure will bemoresecureandless costlybyeliminatingasecond mailing
ofthegold. Ican’t wait toseethe goldmedal,howabout you?
Call for LSCC Hall of Fame Nominations
The HallofFame Committee composed of club membersBillBugert,Len Augsburger, GerryFortin,
Mark Sheldon, and TomDeLorey wishesto informthe membership that we areaccepting nominations
for the LibertySeated CollectorsClub’s 2012 HallofFame (HoF). Please consider honoring
noteworthy individuals tothisprestigiousdistinction fortheir contributionstothe cluband/orto the
advancement ofcollecting LibertySeated coinage.
Basic qualifications for club member nomineesaresignificant advances inor contributionsto at
least one ofthe following four criteria:
 Numismatic ResearchonLibertySeated coinage
 Numismatic Literaturerelated to LibertySeated coinage
 Collection(s)ofLibertySeated coinage
 LSCCClubofficer (for at least five years).
Previousinducteestothe HoFinclude KamalM. Ahwash (deceased), John W. McCloskey, Alfred E.
Blythe (deceased),RandallE. Wiley, and BrianGreer.
The Committee isaccepting nominations intwo categories: anactive club member and a veteran(pre-
foundingofthe LSCC [1973]);anannouncement ofthe new inductee(s) willbe made at theLSCC’s
annual meeting. The nominations must be receivedno laterthan April15, 2013andare dueto the HoF
Chairman, BillBugert, via emailat [email protected] or via postalmailat BillBugert, 1230Red
Rock Road, Gettysburg, PA17325 or to Bill via telephone at [phone].
Page4 The E-Gobrecht
Regional News
by Gerry Fortin, LSCC #1054
Thebeginningof2013finds the piece.Hopefullywe’ll see youthere.”
numismaticindustryin a most
upbeat moodwithawell at- ImmediatelyfollowingManchesteris the
tendedFUNshowandnowthe springLongBeachshow duringFebruary7-9. Craig
Stack’s Bowers saleoftheCar- Eberhart,WesternRegional Director,is tryinganew
dinal Collectionwithanindus- LSCC meetingapproach andsent alongthefollow-
tryrecordpriceof$10,016,875forthe1794Flowing ingnotice, “This is areminderthat the LSCC re-
Hairsilverdollar graded PCGS SP66. Dealers are gional meetingat LongBeachwill beheldat the
workinghardtolocateandbringfresh material tothe RockBottom BreweryonThursdayFebruary7th.
market warrantedbynew collectordemand. Based Wewill meet intheregistrationareaandwalktothe
onmyownobservations at theFUNbourse,original breweryat 7PM. Brian CushingwithDickOsburn
bust andseatedcoinage material inEF-AUcollector RareCoins has graciouslyvolunteeredtobuythe
grades is bringingwell abovetrendpricingandeven- first round. Therewill not beameetingonFriday
tually,thepricingguides will needtoreflect some morning.”
upwardpricemovement toshakecoins out of
“stronghands”. DuringMarch,the LSCC will meet at its
homebase; theWhitmanBaltimoreshow. The
TheFUNshow LSCC regional meetingwas springBaltimoreshowwill beheldduringMarch 14-
agreat success andprovides asolidspringboardfor 17. Len Augsburgerwill onceagainhost an LSCC
additional Q1meetings. Inparallel withthe Febru- regional meetingonMarch15at 9:00am. Hopefully,
aryE-G release,Dennis Fortier,Northeast Regional theclub’s 40thAnniversarysilvermedals will be
Director, andJohnFrost arehostingan LSCC table availabletothoseattendees whosubmittedorders in
at theNewHampshireCoinandCollectibles Expoin 2012. Iwill beattendingtheBaltimoreshow and
Manchester, NH. Dennis sent inthis onthefloor will bringalongthe1839 F-105bPieShattered Ob-
report,“As ofthis writingtheManchesterNHshow versedimeas presented at theFUNshow andina
is goingon.JohnFrost and Iaredoingajoint recentCoin Worldarticle.
LSCC/BCCS displayand meeting. We’ll beupdat-
ingthemembers at themeetingonthe40thAnniver-
sarymedal project andJohnwill begivingapresen-
tationonthebookheis writingontheTwentyCent
ontheirowncollectionofJournals, Johnsets upat
(Continuedfrompage5)
most majorshows intheeasternhalfofthe country-
mediatelyscoopedit upforall of$15(todayit runs heis abigguy, andnot hardtofind!
well into4-figures, more foraniceone), recognizing
that it was anunknownvarietyandnewdiscovery.
Later,Johnbecamethe recognizedexpert onClassic [Editor’s comment: I checkedmypaper files and
Head goldvarieties. foundIhadsavedthis articleas well. It is fromCoin
Worldanddated Wednesday,July18,1990.]
I'm still missingacopyofGobrecht Journal
#23,but this clippingfrom JohnBurns is agoodsub-
stitutefornow. Andifanyone wants to get started
2013 Volume 9,Issue 2 (February 2013) Page5
The Curious Collector
by Len Augsburger, LSCC #1271
Forsometime Ihave competition? 'Istartedto buyLibertySeateddimes,
beentryingtofinish my whichweresellingforunder$1inlow grades at the
collectionofGobrecht time....bythetimemyfriendfoundout about it, I
Journals. TheCollective alreadyhad40to50ofthem.'"
Volumes capturemost of
thecontent,ofcourse,but "John's fascinationwiththehobby,how-
theoriginal copies containads not reproducedinthe ever,was solidifiedin1961,whenhedecidedtoup-
CollectiveVolumes, and also let thereaderfully gradehis dimecollection(from GoodtoVeryGood
appreciatetheevolution oftheediting, especially toVeryFinetoExtremelyFine). When Iwould
throughthe earlyissues. I'veneverseenacomplete purchasethereplacement coins, Inoticedthat a
set advertisedforsale,so I'vepickedthem upin numberofthem hadMint marks ofdifferent sizes
parts, pickingout thenicest copies from grouplots andindifferent locations,dates ofdifferent sizes
andmovingtheduplicates out ofthelibrary. After andindifferent positions, etc.' John's natural curi-
several years Inowfind myselfwithexactlyone ositytookover,andhesought an answer: why
missingissue,#23. So, Iwas recentlypleasedto wouldtwocoins withthesamedateandMint mark
locatea copyinthestock ofnumismaticliterature havesuchdifferences?" [Sothere youhaveit- John
dealerJohnBurns, whohadawholebox ofoldGJs startedas a LibertySeateddimecollector,andthe
forsale. Alas, hewas sellingthem all as onelot,as roots ofthe LSCC were plantedintheearly1960s
it was afairlysubstantial runandhewantedtokeep as hebegantostudyLibertySeateddimedievarie-
it together. So,noissue #23forme,unless Iwant to ties.]
ponyupseveral hundred dollars andbeleft witha
verylarge groupofduplicates! Iwill keeplooking. Thearticle goes ontodescribesomeofthe
Therewas anotherlittletreasureinthebox,anold earlyLSCC history. "Forthefirst year,the 'club'
unattributednews clippingcontaininganinterview was not reallya clubat all. 'Kam [Ahwash],who
withJohnMcCloskey. The"unattributedclipping" agreedtobepresident andeditor,sent copies ofthe
is thebaneoftheresearcher,it's nicetohavethein- journal tothe150collectors onthis mailinglist who
formation,but youreallywant toknowwhereit wereinterestedinseated coinage...Oneofourmem-
camefrom. Inthis case, it appears tobefrom Coin bers, JohnPryor,whowas aprinter,offeredtoprint
World,about 1990,butmorethanthat Icannot say. thejournal forus forfree [Lenhereagain- that is a
IaskedJohnBurns if Icouldjust purchasetheclip- gooddeal,wehavesubstantial printingbills to-
pingbyitself,andhewas kindenoughto giveit to day!]...In1975, weasked the150collectors on
megratis. Thereweresomeinterestingstories Kam's list iftheywould bewillingtopaydues that
about JohnMcCloskeyinhere,which Iwill excerpt: yeartobecomemembers oftheclub. About half of
them joined.'" Kam Ahwash handlededitingthe
"John...begancollectingcoins in1949at the Gobrecht Journalforits first year, andafterthat
ageof11. 'Myfatherhadalargejarof Lincoln Johntookoverandcontinues tothis day.
cents, so Ibought apennyboardandstartedfilling
holes....bythe early1950s, Ihad gatheredmost of Thearticlethendiscusses John's interest in
the20thcenturycoins out ofcirculation.' Around Bust coinage. AmongJohn's contributions inthat
that atime,heanda friendwerebeginningtopur- area arethediscoveryof the1829curl base2dime,
chasecoins at local shows - withalittlefriendly whichJohncherriedat a coinshowin1973- heim-
competition. John's ideatogainan 'edge'inthe
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Page6 The E-Gobrecht
Quarter of the Month
by Greg Johnson, LSCC #1460
TheJanuary2013Heritage FUN (1991 Lima, OH), Issue 111oftheGobrecht Jour-
auctionwas particularlyunusual, nal,andtheDecember2011E-Gobrecht.
andinterestingfor Liberty
SeatedQuartervarietycollectors,
becauseit featurednot one,but
two,high grade1843-O LargeO
quarters. Thefinest known1843-O LargeO,which
appearedintherecentlyconcluded FUNauction,is
theEliasbergexample(nowinanNGC MS64
holder). It is not merelytheonlyknownmint state
exampleofthevariety; it is amongst thefinest
known1843-Oquarters ofeitherthelargeorthe
small Ovariety. Its’1843-Osmall Ocompetitors
atoptheconditioncensus areasingle NGC MS65,
oneotherNGC MS64,andalonePCGS MS64.
Thoughthemajorityof1843-O LargeO
quarters grade Fineorless, thereareseveral AU ex-
amples inadditiontothesingleMS specimen. The
fourfinest knownexamples are aPCGS AU53,NGC
AU55,NGC AU58andthemint stateEliasbergcoin.
All fourofthese examples havebeen auctionedby
Heritagesinceearly2003,withtwoofthem soldjust
this month. Auctionappearances aresummarized in
thefollowinglist,alongwithtworecent auctionap-
pearances of XF examples:
 March3,2003ANACS AU53 $3,105(now
NGC AU55)
 November29,2006NGC AU58 $6,325
 September18,2008PCGS XF40 $3,018.75
 January4,2012PCGS AU53$8,050
 February2,2012PCGS XF45/CAC $7,475
 January9,2013PCGS AU53$7,637.50(Same
coinas 1/4/12)
 January10,2013NGC MS64$25,850(ex-
Eliasberg)
 TheEliasbergcoin(Figure1)was gradedMS-65,
raw,andsoldfor$14,300in1997(Bowers
4/1997:1434). (Figure1. TheEliasberg1843-O LargeO25¢)
Diagnostic features ofthe1843-O LargeO [Editor’s comment: Gregmentionedthat so far, he
varietyhavebeendetailedin LarryBriggs’Compre- has received16responses totheLSCC Top25Quar-
hensiveEncyclopediaof LibertySeatedQuarters ter Varietysurvey. Keep themcoming!]
2013 Volume 9,Issue 2 (February 2013) Page7
Subscriber Correspondence
From GeneBruder: Tell thecontributors[totheE-Gobrecht] that Ireallyappreciatewhat theydo. Iwish
Ihadenoughtimeandknowledgetocontributelikethat!
Reminder!
Liberty Seated Quarter Top 25 Variety Survey
Includedwiththerecent LSCC Winterpostal mailingfrom President JohnMcCloskeywas asurvey.
This surveyis arequest forlistings from themembers whoownanyofthe oftheTop25 LibertySeated
Quarter Dollarvarieties. Completedetails wereincludedinthat mailingbut responses arerequested tobe
returnedbyApril 5,2013toGregJohnson at theaddress onthesurveyform.
Pleaseremembertosubmit yourinformationfor theclubcensus.
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