DTIC ADA525451: An Interview With Former CIA Executive Director Lawrence K. 'Red' White

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Soldier, Manager, Leader
An Interview With Former CIA Executive
Director Lawrence K. (cid:147)Red(cid:148) White
James Hanrahan
Editor~Note: (cid:145)Red(cid:148) Whitegrew up
poorin Tennessee. He wassavedfrom a
l~fi(cid:146) ofdrudgeiyby somewhatfortuitous
a
appointmentto the UnitedStatesMili
taryAcademyat WestPoint. In the
Army, helearnedtoacceptresponsibility,
exerciseauthority, and, aboveall, lead
men. Hefoughtin thePacifictheaterin
World WarII, earninga Distinguished
Service Cross, a SilverStar, two Legions
ofMerit, andthreeBronzeStars. Colo
nel White wasseverely woundedin the
Philippines in 1945andhadto leave
theArmyafterspendingnearlytwoyears
in various militaryhospitals.
HejoinedthenewlycreatedCIA in
1947, becominginshortorderthechiefof
theForeign BroadcastInformation
Frank Wisner, RichardBissell, Richard
Branch(cid:151)later renamedFBIS(cid:151) in the Helms-4-asfew othersdid. Hepaintsa
OfficeofOperations, whichhandledall fascinatingportraitoftheAgencyas it
overtcollectionfunctions. White~success once wt~s.
in transformingan unrulyandtrouble
someorganization caughttheeyeofhis Thefol4iwingexcerptsarefromJames
superiors, andhewaspromotedtoDeputy Hanrahan~ interview ofColonel White
AssistantDirectorofthe OfficeofOpera athish~mein VeroBeach, Florida, on 7
tions in December1950. He remained January~
1998.
in thatpostuntil1952, when he was
namedAssistantto theDeputyDirector
forAdministration. Whitecarriedmuch
Appomted to West Point
oftheDDA~loadin thatjob, andDCI
AllenDullesformallyrecognizedthatfact
Igrewup inasmalltownofabout 500 in
in 1954when heappointedRedto bethe westTennessee. MyfatherwasaPresbyte
DeputyDirectorforAdministration. In mir~ister,
rian which meanswe didn(cid:146)t
1965, DCIRabornappointedhimExec have an~(cid:146) money. I was born in 1912.
utiveDirector-Comptroller, theposition From th~e time I was 12years old, I
inwhichheremaineduntilhisretirement worked~n the farm from sunup to sun
in 1972. down fc1r maybe $1.50 aday. (cid:145)When I
JamesHanrahanworksontheOral was about 16, Ihadajob diggingditches
History Program in CSI(cid:146)s History Red WhiteknewtheAgency~cgreatearly to put thewaterworks in ourhometown,
Staff. leaders(cid:151) (cid:147)Beetle (cid:147)Smith, Allen Dulles, forwhich I got 25 cents an hour, andwe
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(cid:147)Red(cid:148)
worked a 10-hourday. Iwas maybe 13 but the gist ofitwas, (cid:147)Well, probably which meant instead of$125 a month,
or 14 when I knewthatI didn(cid:146)t want to nothing is evergoing to come ofthis wegot$115, butwedidgetquartersand
beaminister, becauseyoudidn(cid:146)t getpaid anyway, but isn(cid:146)t itjust too bad that I I think $18 for rations or something.
anything, orafarmer, becauseyouhadto don(cid:146)t even have achance because I can(cid:146)t
worktoo hard. I knewthatIwanted to get anybodyto fill out this form?(cid:148) Mr.
go to college, butI hadno moneytogo. Murraysaid, (cid:147)I(cid:146)ll tellyouwhat,we(cid:146)ll just Offto War
I graduated fromTroyHigh Schoolwith estimate.(cid:148) So we sat down in the back
aclassof22in 1929. ofthis general merchandise store, and In September 1942], myregimentwas
he(cid:146)d askmewhatImadeineachsubject. ordered to the Pacific. We sailed from
Shortlybeforegraduation, almostby Without exception I(cid:146)d answer (cid:147)A.(cid:148) San Francisco in earlySeptember. We
accident, I picked up abookon howto Once in awhile he(cid:146)d say, (cid:147)Maybe we firstwent to the Fiji Islands, andwent
gain admission toWestPoint. Thevery better make that a B+.(cid:148) down to the New Hebrides Islands, and
firstsentence I readsaid, (cid:147)Cadets at the sawno combat there. By this time, I
UnitedStates MilitaryAcademyreceived Whenwe had finished, he shouldhave had become the executive officer ofthe
asalaryof$1,080 peryear.(cid:148) That called up theclassvaledictorianandtold regiment, a lieutenant colonel and all
soundedlike quiteabitofmoneyto me, her that she had been replaced, because that. One day, while wewere down in
so I readthepamphletandlearnedthata I had a prettyfancyhigh school record the New Hebrides, I got orders to
Congressman couldappointyoutoWest there that day. I still didn(cid:146)t anticipate report to Guadalcanal to division head
Point. Therewas anotherministerin anythingwouldcomeofthis, buton the quarters. This was the 37th Division, a
townwho hadbeen myscoutmaster, and 2gth or 29th ofJune I wasworkingfor a NationalGuarddivisioncommandedby
hehadbeeninWorldWarIwithanewly farmer bailinghay, and the farmer(cid:146)s wife Bob Beightler. The fighting on Guadal
elected Congressmanwhose namewas called to me and said I waswanted on canalwas almost over bythat time. I
JerryCooper. I appealed to myex-scout the phone. Itwas atelegram fromWest was assigned as theAssistant G3.
masterifhewouldspeakto Mr. Cooper Pointsaying that the principal appoin
aboutapossibleappointment. Mr. Coo tee,whohadbeensofortunateasto take The first real combat I sawwas in New
perwroteme anoteandsaid thathewas those examinations, had flunked them Georgia, and itwas prettyrough. The
sorry, hecouldn(cid:146)t give me aprincipal and thatmycertificate was approved general, he(cid:146)d send me to every hotspot
appointment until 1932, buthedidhave unconditionally. Report toWest Point therewas. He(cid:146)d say, (cid:147)You go up there
afirst alternateappointmentifIwould before noon on 1 July 1929] pending nowandorder them to dowhateveryou
like it. So I toldhim, (cid:147)Of course I physical examination. think theyought to do, but don(cid:146)t get
would.(cid:148) I graduatedfrom high school into too much trouble.(cid:148) Ihadanumber
theend ofMay, andaboutthe middleof The physical part atWest Point, which ofclose calls in NewGeorgia, and
June I gotanotefromWest Pointsaying was rugged, was no problem for me. I finallywe capturedMwidaAirport, our
itwas too lateto take anysortofan had been agood high school athlete, main objective. The nextday, hesaid to
examination, which I normallywould andIhadworkedonafarm, andI could me, (cid:147)We want to get into the island of
havehadto do, butI shouldsendin my take all that, butwhen the academic Vella LaVella and seize it before theJaps
highschool record. workstarted, I was in deep trouble. I get there. We can(cid:146)t go right now, but
rememberwhen theyput out the first they(cid:146)re going to send a combat team
None ofthe fourteacherswho taughtin rankings, therewere420 ofus, andIwas fromthe25k(cid:148) Divisionupthere,andyou
myhigh schoolwere around, and I about 415. go alongas an observer and be ready to
finallyfound the principal ofthe school receive our unitswhen theycome in.(cid:148)
overinatowncalledDupton, Kentucky, Bythe endofthesecondyear, Iwas able
about70 miles fromwhereI lived, andI to make mygrades without anyassis I reported to General McClure, and I
askedhim to fill outthis form. He said, tance. I graduated 287 out ofaclass of said, (cid:147)General, I(cid:146)m told to go along on
(cid:147)I(cid:146)m sorry, I can(cid:146)t do that becauseyou 347, or something like that. I was this trip with you as an observer.(cid:148) He
have 12 high school credits, you tell commissioned on 13June 1933]. In tookone lookat me, andhe said, (cid:147)You
me, and I only taught two ofthose sub those days, theArmywas poor, andwe will be the chiefofstaff.(cid:148) I said, (cid:147)I was
jects.(cid:148) I don(cid:146)t knowexactlywhat I said, graduated into a 15-percent paycut, told tojust be an observer.(cid:148) He said,
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(cid:147)Red(cid:148)
(cid:147)Yes, I know. Here are three others that skippers,andwelandedintheworstmess run fast enough, so hebroke that off,
are supposed to be observers, and I(cid:146)ll youhaveeverseen. I thought, (cid:147)My gosh, and everysoldier thatwent by there
throwin myaide. You can do anything I(cid:146)m goingto getcanned. Mycommand would take ahelmet full ofbeer. Gen
youwant to with them, butyou are the didn(cid:146)t lastverylong.(cid:148) So I finallyfounda eral Kruger, the 6thArmycommander,
chiefofstaff.(cid:148) So we fly backdown to Marinegeneral. I said, (cid:147)Sir, I(cid:146)m in com came do~vn there, and said, (cid:147)White,
Guadalcanal to take command ofthe mand ofthese troops thatarelanding.(cid:148) what(cid:146)s this?(cid:148) I toldhim, (cid:147)We just cap
taskforce. The first thinghe told me Hesaid, (cid:147)How oldareyou?(cid:148) I said, tured th~s brewery, and they(cid:146)ve all got a
was to write the order. Goodness, I had (cid:147)Thirty-one.(cid:148) Hedidn(cid:146)t thinkthatI helmet full ofbeer.(cid:148)
neverwritten an order. should beincommandofthe troops. He
asked, (cid:147)How are things going?(cid:148) AndI Wehad~prettygoodfightgoingnotfar
We had 10,000 people in theArmy, said, (cid:147)General, ifsomeone hadmade a up the road. He said, (cid:147)What do you
Navy, Marines, Seabees. Iwrote about deliberate plan toscrew up thelanding, thinkab~ut asoldier drinkingawhole
the shortest order anybodyhad ever theycouldn(cid:146)t have doneabetterjob.(cid:148) helmetfullofbeerandgoingrightintoa
read. I showed it to him, and he said, AndI told himwhathadhappened. firefight?~(cid:148) I said, (cid:147)General, I don(cid:146)t
(cid:147)It(cid:146)s prettybrief, but I neverlike to tell know, bdtIdon(cid:146)t thinkI(cid:146)d liketotryand
people how to do things, just to tell He treated me like along-lostson and stop it.(cid:148) Hesaid, (cid:147)I don(cid:146)t thinkI would
themwhat to do.(cid:148) So he said, (cid:147)This is said, (cid:147)When you get them together, you either.(cid:148)
okay.(cid:148) let me knowwhen you are readyto go
in.(cid:148) About noontime, I called him and Sowe foughtourwaydown to the Pasig
told him I was ready. After24 or 48 River,whichrunsrightthrough the mid
Landing on Bougainville hours we had doneverywell. We had dle oftown and right in front ofMala
run into prettylight resistance, andwe canang l~alace, which is the presidential
Aftersuccessfiullyservingon Vella had pushed out a couple ofthousand palace. was standing on the grounds
LaVeliaas GeneralMcClure(cid:146)s Chief yards. Hewasworriedaboutme, andhe near the palace, and this voice behind
ofStaffin TaskForce C.G., White sent his assistant division commander me says, (cid:147)White, what are you doing
returnedto hisown uniton Guad over there, and his assistant division down here?(cid:148) I turned around, and it
alcanal. commander couldn(cid:146)t believewhatwe was General MacArthur.
had done. He apparently reported to
I went backdown to Guadalcanal and the general that he didn(cid:146)t really need to I hadbu~ped into him a few times and
got ahold ofthe division. General worryabout his left flank. As a result, I actuallyworked for him for acouple of
Beightlergave me a regiment, the 148ch gota nice commendation fromAdmiral weekswl1ien hewas amilitaryadviser to
Regiment. Two weeks later, I found Halseyandwhatnot. We were on Bou the Philippine president, before he
was
myselftaking myregiment plus one- gainville awholeyear. recalledt~oactivedutytotakecommand.
third ofthe division(cid:146)s special troops. I I toldhim that I was going to take over
took about 5,000 troops into Bougain from the~ 1st Cavalry Division, and then
ville, andwe got up there, and the com The Philippines I said, and I don(cid:146)t know to this daywhy
modore said to me, (cid:147)What beaches do I said it, but I said, (cid:147)I don(cid:146)t seewhy I
youwant to land on?(cid:148) They had prom Whitenextledhis men in the inva don(cid:146)t cro~s the river right here.(cid:148) He
isedtogetmeword, buttheyneverdid. Sian ofthePhilippineIslands, land said, (cid:147)Do you thinkyou can?(cid:148) I said,
He said, (cid:147)I(cid:146)ll putyou on anybeachyou ingin Lingayen Gulfon theisland (cid:147)General, you and I are standinghere
want to get on, butyou(cid:146)ve got to get off ofLuzon inJanuary 1945. on a bankofthe river, and nobody is
myship.(cid:148) shootingat us. IfI had a boat, I(cid:146)d sure
Ikeptpushing, andI thinkit(cid:146)s fairtosay give it a~ry.(cid:148) So he said, (cid:147)What areyou
TheMarineshadalreadylanded, and that myregiment led the parade for going to do now?(cid:148) I said, (cid:147)I think I(cid:146)ll
theyweresendingoutpeople to direct about threeweeks, all theway into call our division commander and tell
small boat traffic. Somecoxswains took Manila. On the outskirts ofManila himjust what I told you.(cid:148) In a matter
orders from the Marines, others had therewas abreweryfull ofbeer. Some ofseconds, it seemed, mytelephones
alreadyreceived orders from their soldiergotinthere, and thespigotdidn(cid:146)t and radioswere ringing. (cid:147)What do you
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(cid:147)Red(cid:148)
I had a good military
career. I had a lot
of responsibility
as
want? Youcanhaveanythingyouwant. a young guy. I owe Office ofOperations, which handled
Where doyouwant it? When do you overt collection]. Christmastime I was
want it?(cid:148) I said, (cid:147)All Iwant is some everything to goingoutto St. Louis, andIwent over
boats.(cid:148) West Point. to see General Sibert. He said, (cid:147)I(cid:146)d like
tohaveyou, butI can(cid:146)t tellyouanything
~9 until I get GeneralVandenberg(cid:146)s per
Wounded in Action mission.(cid:148) I went on out to St. Louis,
and on Mondaymorning he called me,
AWfhtietre(cid:146)ssucrceesgsifimae(cid:146)lnytcwraosssoirndgetrheedrtiover, iCnatahomlaitctecrhaopflamiinn,utwehs,oehxacdepbtetehnatupthe adenndbehreg.saiTdhheey(cid:146)d(cid:146)d tlailkkeedvetroyGmeuncerhaltoVhaanve
aotftBaacgkuiion.thedirection ofthetown ttiheesreintothgeivteantkhethlaastthraitdesrotloletdheovcearsutahle mdthoee?,(cid:148)pahnHodneeI.ssa(cid:148)aiidd,T,h(cid:147)I(cid:147)WehncaanIt(cid:146)tsatiaedl,ml(cid:147)HyIooguwoitnhagmtutoocvher
WBaeguwieoreisaatttaacbkoiuntg5u,p00t0hefeBeat,guainodrtohaids. catlhniifdsf,lssetgaa,ywegmdaevte.hemrHeeewaipmtuohtrmapehtiouunnretniislyqraulielntgteho,en aarreeygooiunggotionggitvoepyaoyumaeg?r(cid:148)adHee14s.a(cid:148)id,I s(cid:147)Waeid,
wrtheoerardee.itsrIjyuihsnatgdatofhiavfieorrtpcaiennkusrs,ooaafdnfdatllhtehtehreoJawadpa.syIup Jstlaoepfmsieewlbdeo,rdeaynkdit,loleehdxe,cleIppgtgueeftsosrm,seapneodfnfdtiohnfegnthahelembogasottt (cid:147)Hkrneoomwwe.mbmeHrae,nyiitndqwoualislraeradsboiasurtothu$ant8d?,,(cid:148)0a0H0nedinadsitdhIno(cid:146)tse
wkthhnraeotwuIgIhwhaatshdedstoehienrgof.aidrbOelpnoocwke1sr7,Atapornbidlla,tshtmaty(cid:146)s lead tthwaotyweaasrsth2e3enmdonotfhms]yimniltihtearhyoscpairteaelr,. wdtaooyrcsk.o.m(cid:148) SeoWthIoeswanoidr,Ik(cid:147)Fgironitegh,btacaIk(cid:146)lw,layhc.eomwaenttoed me
wwbbshaeehyatvnadteattanbplfIarimoceoicrtnklowteeuryasdlarhdndfue,rdfpiootna,yttmsoorIaBgohnaueaegdstdauubvitaallohybol.eerycytektsdMweiieaysrdrbt,esoalhntueochotaeted.,slseidtaexIanuondprk IoebleivfudhoeurarnrciedayetsttdhpaihoatointghnnsoeI,igrobweadit.oolnuimdWtIileylIdhisawattesedavrnaePoyrtoynicogtenaeoutrt.cenWehagreanI.sngywtucIaykeP.nihoitnaindIdntatoooawfmjbleuiaeosntlt IaaHabblneeeoogdnnuitwgttneahrnsfemeiidnnyacegh.obiarntegihIfegtdehoyunwtftaanyFfsmeeBoeeloIldndboSevw9dR,iwuoJaalsuasesnsnaeddalufelahyrrreoSsoyhuhmaine1npgpt9,dshh4eted7Ieri,rgdso.cti
he backed cliff, couple ofhun
dttnorehexigtndegthfewateiahtr.sepicqEonauvvsieetuerrautylrattnaihtewistanhsgoeuwatamsaosofmfahretenahlsetdr,feu.rpaonmEtdrvhyeteihrrneeyg taPtohoneiygrneebt.towdaIayntvwseitdhnuugocckatethwvieeiortnfhl.gargmaIeadc.buaoamutteedaosuftrhioogmfhWaesst prirledeaieclnail,epy,rsowaocanasfldnar(cid:146)taoarrstrghaaIennkiggzneauomtywei,ontnott.odwoieRtnuithtse.strhISitenhwtBeaopBshCaeh.risd
to the front door, so I foolishlywent up He spent most ofhis timeworkingon
there to peekaround, and I got about that, and I took over the day-to-day
halRvay there, and around that turn Into the Agency and FBIS operations. Then in September, he was
came twoJapanese tankswith all guns notifiedbytheAgencythathe reallywas
blazing, andabout 10 infantryridingon Therewere quite a few militarypeople no longeracceptable, and I never knew
top ofthe tanks. Theystopped momen overin thatCentralIntelligenceGroup. why, andnobodyevertoldmewhy. SoI
tarily, and all the infantrymen jumped Itwas then, through agood friend and becamethechiefon29 September 1947.
off, and then this lead tank rammed my classmate ofmine, that I got an appoint
tank, and all hell broke loose. mentwithGeneral Edwin]Wright,who
was DCI] General Hoyt] Vanden Taking Charge
I was hit rather quickly, and I dropped berg(cid:146)s deputy. Hewanted me to talk to
mypistol and fell. Mylegwas broken Bill Quinn chiefofthe Strategic Ser Security problems, leadership prob
up here, itwas broken down there. I vices Unit], who was aclassmate of lems. In the first place, wewere down
rolled across the road and lodged mineatWestPoint. I talkedto Bill, and on (cid:147)K(cid:148) Street and had no guard on our
against a little pine tree about 10 or 15 then he wanted me to talk to General building. Anybody couldwalk into our
feet below the road. I would have died Edwin] Sibert, who was running 00 offices. I(cid:146)d go outforlunch, andwhen I
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(cid:147)Red(cid:148)
came back therewas no tellingwho I(cid:146)d I(cid:146)m goingto supportyou, but next time Well, Kli~na and everybodyjust begged
find there waiting to see me. None of be alittle more careful.(cid:148) me not to do this. I said, (cid:147)No. IfI can(cid:146)t
the people had asecurityclearance. trust hin~ from here to Hedgeneck, I(cid:146)m
Theygaveme abadge, andI couldgo in Theygot the message that therewas not about to trust him from here to
and out ofCIAoffices, but nobodyelse someonewith authority around here. Cyprus.(cid:148) I likedthisguy. Helatergota
could. Thentheyhad fellownamedPhil,who job withiVoice ofAmerica, and they
a
was averybright fellow. He had a called me, and I said, (cid:147)I think this fel
I hiredAllenWarfield, Roger Sealy, and Ph.D. in ancient Greek, I think, but he low(cid:146)s ag~od engineer, but he made a
Joe Couch, all ofwhom had been in the couldwriteverywell. Hehada title; he mistake, and I(cid:146)ve got enough problems
service. I thinkI hiredeachoneofthem waschiefoftheFieldDivision. Inother over here~, and I fired him, but I think
at grade ii. Other than that, I brought words, he ran all the field stations. I he(cid:146)ll do a~goodjob foryou.(cid:148) He called
everybodyin at grade 5. I(cid:146)d get these said, (cid:147)You(cid:146)re the chiefofthe Field Divi me andsaid, (cid:147)I justwant to thankyou.
youngstersoutofcollege, andI(cid:146)d saythe sion, butyou are a staffofficer. You Youdidabsolutelythe rightthing. Ijust
same thing to them: (cid:147)if youwant to don(cid:146)t commandanything. Icommand.(cid:148) want to t~llyouhowmuch I appreciate
join up with me, I(cid:146)ll take you, but you Itwas hard for him, but he accepted it, it; you(cid:146)ve~changed mylife, I(cid:146)ll never
are going to dowhatI askyou to do. andhewas agreat help to me. make that mistake again.(cid:148)
You maywant to go to London, but I
maywant to sendyou to Timbuktu. If
tthoatd(cid:146)sowith.atIfIyoasukdyoon(cid:146)tu twoadnot,tyooue(cid:146)rnetergoiinntgo WaagloloydKelnigmianewearstomygoeonguitnetoerC.ypHreushiarnedd tBoutdot,hoasn~eiairtedtihden(cid:146)tkitnadkeoftotohilnognsgwfeorhtahde
that kind ofarrangement, don(cid:146)t come be our chiefengineer out there. One morale o~the people to go up. I felt
here.(cid:148) weekend, Phil, who lived out in Gaith prettygopd. Theywere proud ofbeing
ersburg, had a Sundayafternoon party. inFBIS, andi reallyenjoyedit. Youhad
One ofthe senior editors in thewire- Iwent out there, andon MondayI(cid:146)m amonop~lyonthebusiness. Everybody
room hadwritten a best sellerand had a having lunch at the State Department likedyou~product, theyjusthadto have
Ph.D. injournalism. I walked in the cafeteriawith Klimaandwith this engi more. I ~ould travel anywhere I wanted
wireroom one morningand picked up a neer. I said, (cid:147)You know, I felt a little to for] a~ long as I wanted to.
piece ofcopy, and I asked him ifhe had guiltydrivingall thewayout there in
sAsgyitaemooinetuodtor,dwitt(cid:147)Ncahthoiaones.,tmV(cid:148)teoymoi.oectuIheItesgooaitVifvshdoeeiA,innmcm(cid:147)Wkdeeeeryltiohloacfa,unatA.moot(cid:148)ieruotrdgltHeihohrcetoeaki.VtssnooaipwiHsdrcr,eeeeint(cid:147)Ittdofyf ml(cid:147)H(cid:147)OSoohyoo,wIkcegadorItd(cid:146)maaittndoditynhtinohgsouiotneogkntedgitainksngoiehunaeatgrpb,eota.uhan(cid:148)teynrbdteho?adI(cid:148)ty,s.aHa(cid:148)iden,dIsahied, dErmailaaalhilinels,ayDriPptbovuuripbttsil~eii~hrocoenabrtlwaoienafomsn,wFshgB,aeaIntaStdt.niwdhneegHheowecalaldwpsl,austtcahoneoamduEgithodnetoighdtheuoapd
ing.(cid:148) I said, (cid:147)Did you wear ahat to was stayingout at Hedgeneck, wherewe for retirement. I wanted to bring my
wsaoird,k(cid:147)Gtehtis mito.rYnoiun(cid:146)rge?(cid:148)firHedeassaoidf,n(cid:147)Yoews..(cid:148)(cid:148) HIe hboaddy,seIvecraalllecdarhs.imWiitnhaobuotuttaalnkihnogutrolaatnery cthhieenfIinwaL~ontneddontohborimnegfmoyr achmioenftfhr,om
wrote a beautiful letter to GeneralVan and I said, (cid:147)I thinkyoutookacar from CyprushOmeforamonth, andIwanted
denbergwithin thenext24hours, citing Hedgeneck, andyou not onlydrove it to send Porter to London for that
allhiscredentialsandsoforthandsoon, Sundayafternoon out to Phil(cid:146)s party, but month arid then down to Cyprus for
so I found myselfon the carpet in front youdrove itall around town over the that month, and then hewas going to
ofGeneralVandenberg. I toldhimwhat weekendforyour personal pleasureand come horbe and retire. Dr. Tietjen
happened, and I said, nicely, I hope, use. Is that true?(cid:148) Hesaid, (cid:147)Yes, itis.(cid:148) I Director~ Office ofMedical Services]
~pprove
(cid:147)General, you knowyou hired me to said, (cid:147)You arefiredas ofthis moment.(cid:148) wouldn(cid:146)t it. He said, (cid:145)Abso
clean this place up, and ifyou don(cid:146)t sup Hecouldn(cid:146)t believeit. Hesaid,(cid:147)May Isit lutely rio~.(cid:148) I tried to talkTietjen into
port me in this case maybeyou better hereaminute ortwo?(cid:148) I said, (cid:147)You can it. I expl~ined to him what I was trying
getsomebodyelse.(cid:148) He said, (cid:147)Oh no, sithere foraslongasyouwant.(cid:148) to do, andhe said, (cid:147)No, you can(cid:146)t do it.(cid:148)
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When (cid:145)Beetle(cid:146) Smith
he really shook
came,
that place up. He
I appealed toAdmiral Hillenkoetter, really rocked not teeth hearingabout administration
who was the Director. I told Hillenko around here, and I have called you
etter that I hated to askhim, but I only CIA, but also together to tell you howit(cid:146)s going to
wanted him to overrule Dr. Tietjen. I the Community. be.(cid:148) He made it quite clear that the
said, (cid:147)After all, heknows he(cid:146)s got aheart Clandestine Services were not going to
problem, andI(cid:146)m goingto puthim on a 9, have their own, and theywould draw
ship. He and hiswife, they(cid:146)re going to theirsupport from the central offices,
go to London, they(cid:146)re going to spend a and that I was to become the newAssis
month in London. They(cid:146)re goingto get tant Deputy Director forAdministra
on another ship and go to Cyprus, and told that General Smith tion. AlthoughWalterWolfwas the
tChyepyr(cid:146)rues,goainndgtthoeys(cid:146)rpeengdoianmgotnotghetinon wmutaeyntDeidremcteortomfoebreAcdommieniasstsriasttianotn]toWaDletepr Dbeepeuntiyn,TWiamlbtuekrtWuo.lfmightas well have
another ship and come home. I really Wolfand run the administrative busi
wsooumledboldikyettoobdeotthheirse,beacnadustehiIsnmeaend is ness for theAgency. GbleancekrbaolarSdm.it(cid:147)Ifh tyhoruewhaavechaarptroubpleomn,tyhoeu
entitled to something, he(cid:146)s done agreat Whitehesitatedtoacceptthepost take it to (cid:147)White.(cid:148) Hewent around the
job for us.(cid:148) Hillenkoettersaid, (cid:147)Of because the ClandestineServices table, and he asked each ofthose men
ccoouurlsdehheehcaavnegtoh.anWthoabtegbrueraiteerdhatonsoear?(cid:148) wtrearteioangfaoirnstthecewnhtroalleizAignegnacdymiinntihse tahnedred,o(cid:147)Dyoouyaogureuenwdietrhstiat?n(cid:148)dw(cid:147)Ohha,t Iyessa.i(cid:148)d,
DA. (cid:147)Oh, yes.(cid:148) Until theycameto Assistant
Director for Policy Coordination
AasnsdisAtlalnetnDDDuAl,les(cid:147)Beetle(cid:148) Smith, I knew that thiswas abig fight and H. K. Kilbourne] (cid:147)Pat(cid:148) Johnston, who
Deputy Director for Plans Frank] Wis was a colonel over there running the
When (cid:147)Beetle(cid:148) Smith came, he really nIenrt,elalingdenDcee]pAultlyenDiDrulelcetso,raonfdCeanlltrtahlose OtiPmeC. cJoovhenrsttoanctsiaoind],b(cid:147)Ouhs,ineysess,atGetnhaetral,
ssChIhoAoo,wkebdtuhtuapta.lpsloHaceteheruepCa.lolmyBmerluoinceikvteedym.en,otthoenylyall gthriesa.t pSeoopIlseaiwd,er(cid:147)Wehvyerydmonu(cid:146)tchyoaugajiunsstttell Imiugnhdterbsetaonndewphoaitntywohuesraeidy,obuutantdheIre
General SmiththatI don(cid:146)t reallywantto would disagree.(cid:148) Smith pounded the
TtDhheoepsrueetdywaeyfrsoe.rn(cid:146)ttHheeanCslyeatDntdehepastuttiuynpeDwiSireterhvcittcoheressainnd d(cid:147)Yteoolul(cid:146)ltlhhiism..b(cid:148)(cid:148)eHhSeoomGMeeooonrndgaMeyonCIadrgaeoyy,]inystaooiuds,ceeould Jdtoaobhlnyes,otuaonnu,dndyheoerusstadiaodnn,(cid:146)td(cid:147)Gtodhiadstda?(cid:148)garmeJneohwniytsohtuo,mne,
the Deputyfor Intelligence and an General Smith, reallyprettysure I was said, (cid:147)Yes, sir.(cid:148)
AdministrativeDeputy. I thinkthatwas going to say, (cid:147)I don(cid:146)t reallywant to do
agood thing to do, and I thinkhe came this.(cid:148) Hesaidtome, (cid:147)How manyDSCs Then hewent on, and the last onewas
upwith asensible organization, and he haveyou got?(cid:148) I said, (cid:147)One.(cid:148) (cid:147)Oh, my Allen Dulles. Andhe said, (cid:147)Allen, do
certainlybrought theAgencyway up in God,(cid:148) he said, (cid:147)I thoughtyou had a you understandwhat I have said? Do
the Community, where peoplewere whole chestful!(cid:148) Then he said, (cid:147)I(cid:146)ll tell you agree with it?(cid:148) (cid:147)Oh, yes, Beetle, yes
made to recognize thatyouwere dealing youwhatyouaregoingtodo.(cid:148) He never Beetle.(cid:148) Then he said, (cid:147)I do think it
with the President(cid:146)s intelligence officer. asked mewhetherIwanted to or not, would be helpful ifyou would repro
And probably not manypeople could andhewas quite clear that this iswhat I duce that chart.(cid:148) The chart hadjust
have done it at that time. ThenAllen was going to do. I said, (cid:147)Yes, sir.(cid:148) threeboxes. (cid:147)I thinkitwouldbehelpful
Dulles came along, and he reaped the ifyouwouldreproduce thatsowe could
benefit ofall this. Afewdays later, he called a meetingof all have a copy.(cid:148) Beetle said, (cid:147)I will not
all the seniorpeople, and I was invited reproducethatGoddamnchart, andyou
I guess itwasin earlyDecemberof1951 to this meeting(cid:151)this was in December can sit here in silence until you have
that I was on atrip. George Carey, of1951. He laid it on. He started the committed it to memory!(cid:148) They all sat
Director, Office ofOperations] called meeting bysaying, (cid:147)I am sick to the there for about a minute, and he said,
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(cid:147)Have you got it?(cid:148) In unison, theyall would tell his secretary that I had him, so I asked foran appointment. He
said, (cid:147)Oh, yes.(cid:148) something to talk to him about the gave mean appointment on Saturday
building, and then I(cid:146)d rake in an arm morning. I went in, and he said,
Before the meeting broke up, he had load ofstuff, and he was such agentle (cid:147)What(cid:146)s~your problem?(cid:148) I said, (cid:147)Gen
asked the question, (cid:147)Is there anybody in man, hewould never throwyou out. eral, ha~~eyou had time to read that
this room who thinks theycan write up From the beginningwith Beetle Smith, memorandumonpersonnelceilings that
what I have said as a directive?(cid:148) Of nobodyever seemed to relyonWalter I senty9u?(cid:148) He said, (cid:147)I have astack of
course, nobodyvolunteered, so I volun Wolf, and Dulles always dealtwith me. papers ~n mydesk, I guess it(cid:146)s some
teered, andIwrote itrightaway. Within where in that stack.(cid:148) I said, (cid:147)Yes, sir,
24 hours, I took it to FrankWisner to On oneoccasion duringtheKorean and it(cid:146)s only one page.(cid:148) He said,
get his concurrence, and hewouldn(cid:146)t war, theArmy wantedCol. Shef (cid:147)Nobody in this Goddamn place ever
concur. I said, (cid:147)Frank, I(cid:146)ve tried to fieldEdwards, Directorofthe wrote a memorandum ofonly one
writewhathesaid, andifI failed, tellme Agency(cid:146)s OfficeofSecurity, to return page.(cid:148) I said, (cid:147)I did.(cid:148) He and I found
where I failed..(cid:148) Franksaid, (cid:147)No, I don(cid:146)t to militaryduty. it, and then he signed it. From that day
argue with that, you havewritten it the forward; I had the best relationship. I
wayhe said it, but I don(cid:146)t want to con NormallyI would call the Pentagon and never h~d to write him any memoran
cur.(cid:148) Allen Dulleswas now the Deputy ask that (cid:147)Shef(cid:148) be extended for ayear. dums.
to General Smith, so I gave it toAllen But in this instancewhen I called, they
Dulles. said no. I askedwho I couldspeakwith Allen Dulles supported me completely.
to have this changed, and theysaid Gen Hewas ~ great fellow. Hewas all over
Another 24 hourswent by, and I eral Anthony] McAuliffe.1 General theAge~icy. Ifhewanted to talk to
bumped into General Smith in the hall McAuliffe then three-stargeneral, somebo~1y in the bowels oftheAgency,
was a
way, and he said, (cid:147)Where(cid:146)s that direc and I wouldn(cid:146)t get veryfar talking to he sent ~or them. He was a gentleman,
tive?(cid:148) I said, (cid:147)General, I wrote it right him, so I reported this to General and I th1inkhe attracted a lot ofpeople
away, but I gave it to Mr. Dulles.(cid:148) (cid:147)You Smith. General Smith said, (cid:147)I(cid:146)ll call that might otherwise not have been
gave it toAllen Dulles, forGod(cid:146)s sake?(cid:148) Tony,(cid:148) and he did. Theypassed a interest~d in working for theAgency.
Hesaid, (cid:147)He won(cid:146)t understandit. Getit minute or two verypleasantly, and then
Inirially~rhe
away from him right now.(cid:148) So I busted Beetle said, (cid:147)Now, Tony, we(cid:146)ve got Shef Clandestine Services hada
intoAllen Dulles(cid:146)s office, and I said, Edwards overhere, andyou(cid:146)re going to small administrativestaff, and theyhad
Sha~non.
(cid:147)General Smithwants that paper. He send him offto Korea, you(cid:146)re not going Ted The Clandestine Services
wantsitrightnow.(cid:148) With that,andwith to promote him, andwe(cid:146)d like to keep didn(cid:146)t likeTed Shannon when hewas in
aminorchangeor two, itwaspublished, him anotheryear.(cid:148) Apparently, General the fron~ office, but theygot to like him
and thatwas the beginning ofthe cen McAuliffe said no. Beetle Smith said, when he became theirs. He hadasmall
the~e,
tral administrative concept. andI quote, (cid:147)Goddamn you, McAuliffe, staff and somethingfell between
you haven(cid:146)t learned anythingsinceyou thecrac~<s oneday. Allen Dulles had
I thinkthat people thought thiswould wereamajor, andyouwereprettystupid FrankWisnerand me into his office, and
onlylast as long as Beetle was there, then!(cid:148) I said, (cid:147)~ don(cid:146)t reallythink this was my
sinceAllen Dulles had originallybeen fault because Frank(cid:146)s staffshould have
opposed to this. The reason that itwas ShefEdwards remainedat CIA taken c~re ofit.(cid:148) And Franksaid he
di~dn(cid:146)t
neverchangedwas thatAllen Dullesand untilhis retirementin 1963. Soon really thinkitwas his fault. Dulles
I becameveryclose. Itwas through his afterhe becameAssistantDeputy didn(cid:146)t n~rmallyget tough, buthe said,
desire to have a new building. Allen DirectorforAdministration, White (cid:147)I(cid:146)ll tell~ou, starting right nowanything
wasn(cid:146)t much ofan administrator, andhe wasaskedby GeneralSmith to look thathas to dowith administration in this
didn(cid:146)t like to be bothered with it. He into theAgency(cid:146)s personnelceiling. Agencyis the responsibilityofRed
reallywas interested in having that White, and the next time this happens
building. I did everything forhim on I wrote a memorandum to General there(cid:146)s r~otgoingto be anyquestions
that building. I went to all the meet Smith. I putitononepage. I hadsome aboutwho is responsible.(cid:148) Franksaid,
ings. I made all the presentations. IfI attachments, but the gist ofitwas on (cid:147)Let me~transfer myadministrativestaff
wanted to see him about something, I one page. I didn(cid:146)t hear anythingfrom to RedWhite, I don(cid:146)t wantanything
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more to dowith it Aswewalkedout can be there or not. I(cid:146)m just tellingyou ingoftaking that over and building the
ofthe office, FrankandI stoodon the that I(cid:146)m going to talk to him tomorrow building right there.
steps ofthe building, and Franksaid, afternoon.(cid:148) Hewas there. He neverdid
(cid:147)Red, whatdoes administration mean?(cid:148) give much ofajustification, andAllen One Friday nightAllen called me and
I said, (cid:147)Frank, I guess in thesimplest had the file, and Allen said(cid:151)typical of saidhe(cid:146)d had acall from PresidentEisen
terms itjustmeans management.(cid:148) He Allen(cid:151)(cid:148)Oh, Red, go ahead and put it hower, who wanted to see him at 10
said, (cid:145)Allen Dulles andI don(cid:146)t really in there.(cid:148) a.m. the next morning to talk about the
knowanythingabout it.(cid:148) building. Allen asked me to go with
him. I said, (cid:147)What do youwant me to
We put it in there, and Bissellwanted to bring?(cid:148) he said, (cid:147)I don(cid:146)t knowwhat he
A Difficult Man gwoheonvewretowethreeBhuadvgiengtoBuurrefainualwisteshsiAolnlen wanayntthsintgo.t(cid:148) alkBeafbooruet,I sleoftleht(cid:146)somdeo,n(cid:146)tI pburtinag
with the Director ofthe Bureau ofthe
little map ofWashington, DC, in my
I never hadmuch troublewithanybody, Budget]. And Dickgot emotional over coat pocket, andwe go over to the
except alittle bitwith Deputy Director thereandmadeacompleteassofhimself, White House.
for Plans Richard] Bissell. Dickwas a as far as I(cid:146)m concerned. Hewas against
brilliantcollegeprofessor, and, sofarasI the building the original Headquarters Eisenhowerwas gettingready to go play
know, he had neverhad anyleadership building, whichwas then beingbuilt]. golf, and Colonel] Andy Goodpaster
role in commanding or runninglarge He didn(cid:146)t want to move out to that Eisenhower(cid:146)s militaryaide] wastheonly
units. The Clandestine Service is a building. Andhesaid, (cid:147)Red spends all person there. We sat down, and the
prettycomplicated thing to run. He this moneyon this building, he(cid:146)s gota President said, (cid:147)Allen, I want to talk to
just ignored Dick Helms, who(cid:146)s proba million dollars in there forfurniture. youabout this newbuilding. Whereare
blythe bestprofessionalwho everserved Takethatawayfromhim.(cid:148) Everyonewas you going to build it?(cid:148) Allen said, (cid:147)Mr.
there. He Bissell] didn(cid:146)t trust anybody. saying, (cid:147)What(cid:146)s the matterwith this President, we(cid:146)re looking at a number of
He(cid:146)d done agoodjob on the U-2, no guy?(cid:148) Had I beenAllen, I would have sites. We(cid:146)re thinkingabouttearingdown
question about that. Hewould come to shuthim up right there, butAllen didn(cid:146)t. that old breweryand building it right
the morning meetingand chewhis fin there.(cid:148) Eisenhowerwent through the
gernails during the meeting. Or some roof. He said, (cid:147)You are not going to
blioked,yawnoduhled(cid:146)dsabyresaokmeatpheinncigl.heAdivdenr(cid:146)ty Picking a Headquarters Site bCuoilludmbthiaat.buTihlidsintgowinntihsesoDicslturtitcetroedfup
emotional fellow. I neverhad many nowyou can(cid:146)t get from one end to the
run-ins with him, onlyone time itwas Allen Dulles and I had decided to build other, andyou are going to get out of
serious. He had $20 million in the bud a buildingwhere it is now. The landed town.(cid:148) I thought, (cid:147)My goodness, we(cid:146)re
get that I didn(cid:146)t knowwhat itwas for. I gentry out there didn(cid:146)t want us out going to end up in Texas or someplace.(cid:148)
told him that I needed something justi there. Theypicked on Lyman] Kirk
fying it], and he promised to give it to patrick, who was our Inspector Gen Allen keptappealingthathehad to be
me, buthe never did. eral. One day at the DCI(cid:146)s morning neartheWhiteHouse, thePentagon, and
meeting, Kirkpatrick made aspeech the State Department. Eisenhower
I called him one dayand said, (cid:147)I(cid:146)m abouthowtheydidn(cid:146)t wantusoutthere. wouldhave none ofit. Finally, I screwed
meetingwithAllen Dulles tomorrowat Ofcourse, he lived out there, too. He up mycourage and said, (cid:147)Mr. Dulles,
2 p.m. about our budget, and I don(cid:146)t toldAllen thathe thoughtwe were since thePresidentfeelssostronglyabout
have anyjustification for that $20 mil going to get in a lot oftrouble, andwe this, maybewe ought to reconsider that
lion.(cid:148) He went right through the roof. ought not to do it. Allen looked at me oldLeighterestate.(cid:148) Allen tookoffon
He said, (cid:147)You are going to talk toAllen and said, (cid:147)Red, find anothersite.(cid:148) He that, aboutwhataniceplacethatwasand
Dullesaboutmybudget?(cid:148) Hesaid, (cid:147)I(cid:146)m and I talked alittle bit, andwe were what not. The Presidentsaid, (cid:147)I never
busytomorrow, and I can(cid:146)t be there.(cid:148) I considering tearingdown the old Heu heardofthe old Leighterestate, where(cid:146)s
said, (cid:147)Dick, I waited threeweeks, and rich Brewery, and itwas rightwhere the that?(cid:148) I pulledoutmymapandputiton
I(cid:146)m not going to wait anylonger. You KennedyCenter is now. Wewere think- the President(cid:146)s deskandsaid, (cid:147)It(cid:146)s right
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there, Mr. President.(cid:148) He said, (cid:147)How far said, (cid:147)This item is unanimously Ofcourse, in mydaywejust had these
is that from thezero milestone?(cid:148) I said, approved. Bring on the next item of small cc~mmittees to deal with. Ifsome
(cid:147)It is7.1 milesasthecrowflies.(cid:148) Hesaid, business.(cid:148) Congre~sman called up and demanded
(cid:147)That(cid:146)s okay.(cid:148) someth~ng, which they did once in a
Whiteprovidedotherexamples of while, ~ye(cid:146)d justgo tell SenatorRussell or
whatitwaslike to do business with the old man from Missouri Cannon],
Doing Business With Congress Congress in thosedays. we(cid:146)d ju~t go tell them, ~(cid:145)Say, Congress
manJones called me, and he wants this,
AfterwinningthePresidentr Clarence Cannon D-MO] was the itnhatt,roaunb~ldetwhietohthMerr.. JIondeosn,(cid:146)t bwuatnwthatotgdeot
atphperbouvaill,ditnhgeaApgpernocvyedhabydtthoehave Chairman ofthe HouseAppropria we do about this?(cid:148) (cid:147)I(cid:146)ll take careofit.(cid:148)
tions] Committeeforanumberofyears. Youwo~ildneverhearanymoreaboutit.
Congress. George Mahon D-TX] andJerry Ford Ifyou l~ad the confidence ofSenator
R-MI] were there. Allen Dulles called RussellandClarenceCannon, you really
The hearingwas before Carl Vinson me on Sundaymorningandsaid, (cid:147)I just didn(cid:146)t have to worry too much, they(cid:146)d
ID-GA], whowas the Chairman ofthe had a call from Clarence Cannon. He take care ofyou.
HouseArmed Services Committee. I wants us to have a budget hearingat2
was supposed to make the presentation, p.m. thisafternoon. Canwe do that?(cid:148) I
anontdtwoehatrvieedthteofpuelrlscuoamdmeitthteeeChianitrhmeraen. sita,idw,e(cid:147)Mcra.n dDoulilte.s(cid:148) ,TihfaMtr.waCsanhinsoCnawannts Signs ofTrouble
He insisted that hewas going to have non(cid:146)s] idea, and he(cid:146)d call the rest ofthe
them. (cid:147)Okay,(cid:148) he said, (cid:147)I(cid:146)ll handle Plai~ingtheHeadquarters building
committee members, Ford and Mahon,
them, don(cid:146)t worryabout it.(cid:148) So we go and say, (cid:147)Come offthe golfcourse.(cid:148) in L~angley meantthatthe George
up, and he said toAllen Dulles(cid:151)he He(cid:146)d call and tell them, (cid:147)Be there,(cid:148) and WashingtonMemorialParkway
WchtDMaeuhrhlrli.elelnerekCdtsehoyhaosaaiiaursimrekdom,yDuauoos(cid:147)Wgnuch.eftt(cid:148)ogorotrdoVia(cid:151)(cid:148)Dnoihnognnaecsvtt(cid:145)twoeoonkabbrnuus,niaioeillwdddw,ifnyib(cid:147)Yotguo?or,i(cid:148)uulsaduanirrende,g.I tntmthuaeoerkebeyito(cid:146)dniudgnsyg,bu.epawnotKmhdueeylrphedett.(cid:146)dieimtvHeseisanesywc,irkiet(cid:147)Idnthe.oadawoHwlnaowe(cid:146)ttes(cid:146)dwowtfoahuahsnttlatuddfyflaoIenu(cid:146)mcy hRatcidoaafnaudj~~s~i1etnnodgsiisbatgtehnpresaretlxoaiotlboceolnan.netdgimeotndwhieuotpfPhtathtrhehekeCwPKaioetyAnoinmaedcde.yn
p$mr2ao5nb,ambiwllel(cid:146)ryieoanrg.e(cid:148)ogionAiglnlgteontaossaakisdyk,ou(cid:147)Musr.ffoorrC$ah5ba0oiurmtil graoonwiy,ntghaintnodgrIoendaodnm(cid:146)tien,wtehaienthtnerey.wosupahpoelrditnogmooutr aqIubdaooruntt(cid:146)te~t~tshheibnuskiilgdnyisonugo(cid:146)v]ue.t tYehvoeeurresheaeeta,rttdhheethHeesatodry
lion.(cid:148) Vinson replied, (cid:147)My, my, that is NationalParkService builtthatroadout
going to be a nice building.(cid:148) We(cid:146)d tell him anythinghe wanted to there the George Washington Memo
know. He wouldn(cid:146)t give us a rough rial Pa~kway]. Theauthorization for the
This kind ofbanterwent on, and I(cid:146)m time, buthedidn(cid:146)t give us carteblanche. roadh~dbeen on the books for20years,
waiting to make thepresentation. A At the end ofthe meeting, he(cid:146)d say to but th~ydidn(cid:146)t have any money. So we
Congressman named Mr. Richard] Allen, (cid:147)Mr. Dulles, do you thinkyou got the money, itwas $8.5 million, I
Lankford, Democrat] from Maryland, have asked us for enough money?(cid:148) And think, to build the parkway out there.
asked the Chairman ifhe could aska Allen would say, (cid:147)Mr. Chairman, we Before the buildingwas ever finished,
question, and the Chairman said, haveaskedyouforwhatwe thinkwecan theyput up these signs, (cid:147)Central Intelli
(cid:147)Sure.(cid:148) So he askedAllen some ques spendwisely. IfI run short, I know genceAgency.(cid:148) Bobby Kennedydidn(cid:146)t
tion that had nothing to do with the where to come.(cid:148) Year afteryear, we got like th(cid:146)ose signs, and so the President
building. Itwasjust something that just aboutwhatwe asked for. Also, we spoke toAllen that he didn(cid:146)t like the
Lankford hadwanted to askfor a long kept our reserve up prettywell, so if signs. Allen didn(cid:146)t pay much attention
time. It made the old man Vinson] something came up, you could handle to it. One day, during the DCI(cid:146)s morn
mad, and he turned to his clerk, and it. ingm~eting, the President called and he
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