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Discourse Theory and Business Ethics. The Case of Bankers’ Conceptualizations of Customers1 Gjalt de Graaf ABSTRACT. Within discourse theory, language is using discourse analysis. When confronted with seen as constitutive of reality. Furthermore, facts and questions of how to describe the normative side values are viewed as inseparable. This has conse- of banks, and how to compare the ways they treat quences for business ethics. In this paper the rela- their customers, discourse theory turns out to be tionship between discourse theory and business ethics very helpful. is discussed. Both the descriptive and prescriptive aspects of business ethics are taken into account. Furthermore, an example of an empirical study is Describing the normative side of banks presented. A discourse analysis is concluded to answer the questions of how bankers in Holland concep- In Holland the three largest banks dealing with tualize and thus treat their customers and whether there are differences between the largest three banks. private businesses are ING, ABN-Amro and The article contains the description of five different Rabobank. In my research project I asked myself discourses on customers within the banks. the following questions: how do the three largest banks in Holland treat their customers? And: are KEY WORDS: banks, customer relationships, there differences in the way they treat their descriptive ethics, discourse analysis, discourse theory, customers?2 The answers to these questions are Q-methodology not only relevant from an ethicist’s point of view, but the banks themselves are also very interested in the answer. Introduction As far as the differences between the banks are concerned, each of the three banks would Within business ethics, discourse theory is mostly argue that yes, they differ from each other. This disregarded. Yet, discourse analysis can be very is because all three have their own image and insightful when describing the normative side of see themselves as clearly different from their a company. In this article I will first discuss competitors. Rabobank for example is a co- several possibilities that can be used to describe operative company, not listed on any stock and compare the way Dutch bankers treat their exchange. Therefore it doesn’t have to satisfy customers. I will conclude that discourse theory shareholders and according to Rabobank this is very promising for that purpose. Then I will means more than just a different legal way of discuss some of the effects discourse theory can doing business. Rabobank claims that (partly) have on (descriptive) business ethics and what because they don’t have to make a profit to satisfy applied ethics (prescription) would look like shareholders, they treat their clients differently. within discourse theory. After that I will give an Before answering the two research-questions, example of an empirical study of Dutch bankers, I must first answer another question: what is the best way to describe and compare the way in Writing his Ph.D.-thesis, Gjalt de Graaf works at the which the Rabobank, ING and ABN-Amro treat Faculteit der Bedrijfskunde/Rotterdam School of their customers? This question, with a clear Management of the Erasmus University Rotterdam. normative side, is partly one of descriptive ethics. Journal of Business Ethics 31: 299–319, 2001. © 2001 Kluwer Academic Publishers. Printed in the Netherlands. 300 Gjalt de Graaf In the business ethics literature, little atten- remains though, what this says about the orga- tion is paid to the way in which the morally nization at large. What would happen if a relevant aspects of a company can be described researcher would individually screen the and analyzed (Kaptein, 1998, p. 5). In order to employees of an army (or a drug cartel) in this give an ethical judgement though (and prescrip- way? Surely this wouldn’t reveal most (at least not tion), the ethical issues must first be identified the most important) ethical questions about such (description). an organization. One way of describing and comparing com- I suggest an additional method for describing panies in an ethical sense is looking at the normative issues of companies is looking at the company as a moral entity and studying their way they talk about and view reality. Instead of codes of conduct. ABN-Amro recently declared looking at the moral agents or the company as a four basic values in their code of conduct: moral entity, one can study a company’s internal respect, professionalism, integrity and teamwork. discourse. With a discourse defined as “a lin- Rabobank on the other hand announced these guistic practice that puts into play sets of rules three core values to the world: respect, expertise and procedures for the formation of objects, and integrity. There is a striking similarity. Yet I speakers, and thematics” (Shapiro, 1992, p. 108). am not sure my research questions are answered In discourse theory, language is seen as consti- with the conclusion that both banks treat their tutive of reality. With this viewpoint discourse customers in the same way. Codes of conduct are theory can have a very valuable contribution in the result of lengthy consultations at the top-level business ethics, because it means that studying of how management should act. But of course discursive practices within companies becomes when formulating them, not only the real situ- very insightful and revealing for business ethicists. ation, also the image of the company plays a big Discourses produce organizations and the other role. And even when the difference between way around. Therefore, if the Rabobank, for these is acknowledged and something is done example, really treats their customers differently about it, the results are far from certain. Recent compared to their competitors, a researcher must research concludes that “the use of codes of be able to find more than some official statements conduct alone in defining conduct, culture and which say they do (or hear from individual performance in the private sector may be less employees that they “always put the customer effective than their proponents think, and of less first”). In that case, the Rabobank must also impact on managers and employees, customers conceptualize “a customer” differently, the word and stakeholders than they would wish” (Doig “customer” must function differently in their and Wilson, 1998, p. 148). This conclusion is not internal discourse. In the next two paragraphs I surprising. Morals and values must somehow lie wish to discuss discourse theory in more detail. deeper than something you can easily influence First I will discuss the impact discourse theory top-bottom with some statements (Warren, can have on description within business ethics, 1993). So if codes of conduct don’t tell the whole then I will do the same for applied ethics, pre- story, what other ways are there to describe and scription. compare companies in the way they treat their customers? Another possibility is looking at the moral Business ethics and discourse theory, agent. In the association model, the ethical side description of a company is reviewed by examining the employees. The company is reduced to being the Discussions on the nature of truth have affected sum of individual actions. Employees can be social research in a profound way during the last screened, for example, on the way they deal with decades. Instead of assuming a given world out things such as their personal responsibility there that is waiting to be discovered, attention towards stakeholders, their own tasks and the is drawn by many to processes and ways through company’s assets. The question then always which the world is represented in language. Discourse Theory and Business Ethics 301 Discourses are constitutive of reality. By looking act, can act and should act” (1998, p. 1299). The at what people say and write, we can learn how thesis that meaning is constructed by and through they construct their world. In poststructuralism discourse has also implications for the notion of for example, language is not looked upon as a ethics itself. It is, as Hackley (1999b, p. 38) notes, neutral means of communication, but as a process “inseparable from ways of talking about and that forms the objects and subjects of which we doing ethics and ethical things”. speak: conversations always take place in a pre- When facts and values are thus viewed as constituted meaning and value system (Shapiro, inseparable, this has an effect on business ethics:3 1992, p. 10). For business studies this means that the object of the study changes. Not only purely language is not just seen as reflective of what goes normative aspects are relevant, as seen by on in an organization; discourses and organiza- managers, but facts are important as well. The tions are one in the same. “That is, organizing object of study becomes all discursive practices. becomes communicating through the intersec- It is through studying these discursive practices, tion of discourse and text” (Putnam, 2000, p. combined with the different status discourse 225). theory attributes to them, that discourse theory This development is very important for adds a new way of describing the normative side business ethics, since discourses necessarily of a company. contain both facts and values. A different look A discourse analysis can reveal ethical issues at the truth-untruth dichotomy also means a of a company that would remain unrevealed with different idea about the fact-value dichotomy. To other methods. Traditional descriptive ethics be more precise: the strict dichotomy ceases to deals with concepts like “normative choices” and exist. The way one looks at the world, the way “decision-making”. When one adopts the post- one perceives the facts, necessarily determines the structuralist view however, this can be seen as way one values it. Not only meaning, but also only part of the picture at best. The traditional values are immanent features of discourse. As view can easily ignore all the nuances and soon as managers of soccer clubs start to talk, countless ways that determine the possible par- for whatever reasons, about soccer as a “product” ticipants in the process in the first place, as well (a relatively new development), a whole new as the terms in which things are problematized. world opens up around the same old game with The study of discursive practices offers business new opportunities, new managerial problems and ethics a possibility to go beyond the typical new ethical issues (Hawkes, 1998). passive grammar (Shapiro, 1992, p. 127) of The “is” and “ought” influence each other in managers “faced with problems”. It inquires into countless ways. Without the subjects of a dis- the way in which management thinking within course being aware of it, values, causal assump- companies tends to remain within narrow modes tions and problem perceptions affect each other. of problematization and offers a narrative about In our daily lives we jump so often between nor- the production of problems: why is something mative and factual statements, that we don’t considered a problem (or not a problem), rather realize how much our views of facts determine than just concentrate on answering the problem whether we see problems in the first place. But at hand. If there are many ethical issues that are when we study our discussions more carefully, we not perceived as such, just looking at the nor- can see that the “is” and “ought” are in very mative choices managers say they face, is no more close conjunction. The problem definition and than a small part of the normative picture. Many the possible solutions are inseparable. Or as (ethical) aspects of society cannot be explained Randels recently put it: “worldview narratives by fundamental ethical choices. Discourse theory not only describe particular understandings of doesn’t consider concepts like “motivation”, business, but have important normative consid- “intention” or “decisions” as the main causal erations. They are not merely stories, but conditions to explain behavior.4 Managers of construe how we do, can, or should view the company A that mainly talk among themselves world, and how business people and corporations about customers as people out of which their 302 Gjalt de Graaf company makes its profit, will ask themselves It would be more like accommodating a process different (ethical) questions than managers from than prescribing an outcome based on a philo- company B who view their customers as col- sophical ethical theory.5 Prescription within leagues with shared interests. For example, discourse theory consists of conflicting existing managers of company B might consider it unfair discourses and in that process try to influence to sell a certain product to a client, knowing that them. Within discourse theory one deals with a different, cheaper product would do just as discourses that are always “out there” (containing well. Managers of company A would not see an both values and facts). Discourses are always ethical problem here whatsoever. I am not saying within a context. When an ethicist wants to either view is better in a business sense or in an change things in reality, discourse theory suggests ethical sense, just that a different discourse (or it might be more effective to conflict existing worldview/belief system/frame/paradigm) leads discourses, with their normative sides, instead of to different ethical questions. confronting managers with philosophical ethics. Roe (1994) and Van Eeten (1998) for example have interesting ideas of how to confront existing Prescriptive business ethics and discourse incommensurable discourses. theory As I stated, every issue in daily management has its value implications. But this is often One of the main points I tried to make during without the managers being aware of it. This my discussion of discourse theory is that whereas might be one of the reasons why applied business in current business ethics facts and values are ethics as a field isn’t as evolved as applied legal treated as ontologically different, discourse theory or medical ethics. Managers in these last two treats them as different sides of the same coin. fields deal daily with issues they perceive as being This, of course, also has implications and new ethical, so naturally they are more prone to turn possibilities for prescription in business ethics. for help from philosophical ethics (Sorell, 1998). If discourse theory is capable of revealing more But when a discourse doesn’t perceive an issue as ethical issues, and if it brings different ethical being ethical, the ethical discourse runs a great issues to the foreground, then this automatically risk of not being understood. Even when leads to more issues/areas prescriptive ethics can business people find a certain philosophical be applied to. First, one has to identify ethical discussion interesting, they have a hard time issues before one can formulate an opinion on it. relating it to their daily problems. The ethics are Applied ethics can be very helpful at the moment too far removed from daily practice. In other an ethical question is raised. But when every words, the discourses are too different, they are worldview contains many values, the fact that an incommensurable. When talking about the same ethical question arises is as interesting as what issue, ethicists and business people sometimes use question is asked, as is the fact that many ethical different terms and concepts and talk “past each questions are not asked. Every (non-) decision of other”.6, 7 Within business ethics, philosophical any manager in any company is a social activity ethics can play a very important role. But and affects people’s lives (Hackley and Kitchen, somehow the philosophical discourse within a 1999a, p. 23). Therefore, applying ethics to field of applied ethics should move closer to daily only obvious ethical questions within a company (business) practices, or it will suffer from what deals at best with only a small portion (albeit Sorell (1998, p. 17) calls the alienation problem: sometimes a very important one) of the value the problem of the alienation of ethicists from questions involved. A discourse analysis is capable practitioners. of revealing many different ethical sides and leaves therefore more room for ethics to have a say. Applied ethics would look differently within discourse theory than within philosophical ethics. Discourse Theory and Business Ethics 303 An empirical study using discourse analysis customer as an organizing principle. All the statements that used the word “customer” were In order to show how discourse theory can be considered. applied in empirical studies, I will now get back An important first decision is where exactly to to the study I introduced earlier in this paper. look for the discourses. Because almost all In the rest of this study I will describe and contact between companies and banks is at a local compare the way Dutch bankers treat their level, I decided to look at the local branches of customers using discourse analysis. I will show the three different banks for the statements of my how discourse analysis can be used as an alter- concourse.10 As a representative of each local native way for conducting descriptive ethics. bank, I took the local bank director. This is the The way customers are described in the person in charge who should know how cus- discourse of the three banks is ethically highly tomers are dealt with within the local bank. relevant. If we can learn something about how Another advantage of local bank directors is that the banks internally make sense of “customers”, they all have considerable personal experience it can provide great insight into their moral in dealing with customers. choices. According to discourse theory, if Ten open interviews were conducted with bank-managers speak differently about their local bank directors (from the three different customers, they will treat them differently. But banks). In these interviews the directors were how can a researcher look at the way the word invited to talk about as many aspects of cus- “customer” functions within the internal discur- tomers11 and dealing with customers as their time sive practices of the Rabobank, ING and ABN- would allow. These interviews were taped. All Amro? literal statements about customers and dealing One of the ways the literature suggests to with customers were written down later. To these analyze discourses is Q-methodology.8 This is the statements I added statements about customers methodology used here. “Q study will generally that I found in written documents produced prove a genuine representation of that discourse by the banks. I also looked into the academic as it exists within a larger population of literature on customer views of companies. A few persons . . . To put it another way, our units of statements were added from this source. After analysis, when it comes to generalizations are not looking at these sources, the concourse contained individuals, but discourses” (Dryzek and about 150 statements. All (largely) overlapping Berejikian, 1993, p. 52). The discourses are statements were thrown out. Finally, this list was examined without pre-developed categories of shown to the three participating banks and a few the researcher. On the contrary, Q-methodology colleagues who are familiar with the banking gives researchers the opportunity to reconstruct business. The question was then asked whether the discourses, in their own words, using only the remaining statements contained all relevant the words spoken by individuals actually involved issues. After suggestions from a bank and a col- in the discourse. league, a few statements were added. At the end In this article I won’t go into every detail of of this stage my concourse was formed: 52 state- Q-research. Only the main steps and relevant ments were gathered (in Q-methodology this is information for this study are presented.9 called the Q-set).12 I would like to stress that First, for Q-research, a concourse had to be most statements are literal statements from bank constructed. The concourse is supposed to directors. Some statements can be ambiguous to contain all the relevant different aspects of all the some people. But that is the nature of language, discourses. It is up to the researcher to draw a therefore most statements were not edited. representative sample from the concourse at Ambiguity is resolved by each of the Q-sorters, hand. In this case it contains statements used who gave their own interpretation to the internally by the banks about the different aspects statements (every bank director interpreted the of customers. In order to deconstruct the ways statements within his own worldview). banks talk about their customers, I used the word The next step was to decide who would be 304 Gjalt de Graaf Most disagree Most agree (Statement Scores) –3 –2 –1 0 +1 +2 +3 (2) (5) (11) (16) (11) (5) (2) Figure 1. asked their opinion about the Q-set, or, in other Factor A B C D E words, asked to Q-sort the statements. In Q- subject methodology one has to construct a P-set, the person samples. The P-set is the set of persons –1 –0.02 –0.10 –0.34 –(0.44) –0.30 who are relevant to the problem (Brown, 1980, –2 –0.15 –0.04 –0.10 –(0.49) –0.37 p. 192). Following the same logic of the Q-set, –3 –0.26 –0.25 –0.33 –0.25 –(0.46) I decided to let local bank directors13 Q-sort the –4 –0.02 –(0.67) –0.19 –0.24 –0.12 52 statements. These local bank directors were –5 –0.08 –0.09 –(0.65) –0.25 –0.10 randomly selected, 10 from each bank. –6 –0.03 –(0.57) –0.02 –0.02 –0.16 Furthermore, I decided to structure the P-set –7 –0.10 –(0.45) –0.16 –0.38 –0.27 according to the size of the municipality the –8 –0.12 –(0.67) –0.15 –0.24 –0.05 banks are located in, ranging from big cities to –9 –0.01 –0.08 –0.09 –0.34 –0.01 small rural villages.14 10 –0.04 –(0.65) –(0.50) –0.07 –0.24 11 –0.30 –0.40 –0.11 –0.33 –(0.43) The 30 bank directors who were interviewed, 12 –0.24 –0.16 –0.23 –0.39 –(0.53) were given a deck of 52 cards, containing the 13 –0.26 –0.23 –0.15 –0.12 –(0.59) 52 statements (the Q-set). Then they were asked 14 –0.41 –0.06 –0.26 –(0.47) –(0.48) to arrange the cards according to the degree they 15 –0.15 –0.22 –0.20 –0.20 –(0.71) agreed with the statements, with scores ranging 16 –0.23 –0.26 –0.30 –0.02 –(0.59) from –3 to +3. The particular score an isolated 17 –0.01 –(0.65) –0.06 –(0.52) –0.18 statement received was not the most important 18 –(0.68) –0.33 –0.11 –0.35 –0.11 aspect. More importantly was the placement of 19 –(0.49) –0.01 –0.18 –0.36 –(0.48) a particular statement among the other 51 state- 20 –0.41 –0.06 –0.14 –(0.47) –0.17 ments. That’s why the respondents were asked 21 –(0.61) –0.21 –0.07 –0.03 –0.22 to order the statements according to a fixed 22 –0.34 –0.37 –0.06 –(0.49) –0.17 distribution.15 (See Figure 1.) 23 –(0.44) –0.02 –0.01 –0.31 –(0.56) The 2 statements they agreed with most, were 24 –0.35 –0.09 –0.05 –0.21 –(0.47) put on the right, the two they disagreed with 25 –(0.56) –0.03 –0.24 –0.01 –0.35 most on the left. The statements they felt indif- 26 –0.18 –0.20 –(0.55) –0.16 –0.29 ferent about (or didn’t understand) were put in 27 –0.41 –0.00 –0.21 –0.33 –0.28 28 –0.13 –0.24 –0.17 –(0.50) –0.23 the middle (the 0 category). The final distribu- tion is the Q-sort.16 After the Q-sorting, some 29 –(0.44) –0.29 –0.02 –0.03 –0.19 30 –0.37 –0.39 –0.11 –0.11 –0.36 open questions were asked. This was done in order to check whether the bank directors missed In parenthesis are the defining variates (loadings ≥ important issues, and also to gain more insight 0.43, p < 0.001). into the discourses by asking about the reasons The first ten subjects are from the Rabobank, from behind the choices they made. This helped me 11 till 20 ABN-Amro and 21 till 30 ING. with the final analysis of the different discourses The first 3 of every bank are located in large cities 4 later on. through 7 from medium size communities and the The 30 Q-sorts were analyzed using statistical last 3 from small villages (see footnote 14). methods. The idea is to look for patterns among the Q-sorts. Are there similar ways in which Figure 2. Subjects’ factor loadings. Discourse Theory and Business Ethics 305 the 30 different directors have prioritized the 52 reconstructing the discourse, special attention was statements? In this case I used factor-analysis, paid to the most salient statements and the which is standard in Q-methodology. First a discriminating items. So the discourses are not centroid factor analysis produced different factors, constructed by simply cutting and pasting state- which were then rotated according to the ments, also taken into account is how the varimax rotation. This analysis led to five dif- statements are comparatively placed in the dif- ferent factors (an extraction of more than five ferent discourses (Dryzek and Berejikian, 1993, factors, would have lead to statistically insignifi- p. 52). Furthermore, the interviews after the Q- cant factors). In Figure 2 the loadings of the 30 sorting were used to gain extra insight into the Q-sorts are given on the five different factors. reason why the directors ordered the cards in the way they did. Some relevant statements for a discourse are presented in smaller print, together The five discourses with the idealized score of the five discourses. The five factors form the backbone to recon- struct five discourses, five different ways to con- Similarities between bankers ceptualize customers. For each factor an idealized Q-sort is computed (see the appendix). This Before I describe the five discourses, I would like represents how a hypothetical bank director with to stress that I also found many similarities a 100% loading on a factor would have ordered between all the discourses. Some discourses are the 52 statements. Here, I will present the five highly correlated. Also, some statements were discourses in the form of a label and a narrative ordered virtually the same by the bank directors. (Dryzek and Berejikian, 1993, p. 52). When Here are some noticeable examples: Discourse A B C D E 36. Financial rates are an important part of doing business. But just as important for customers are good service and image. As a bank you should most of all communicate that you have the knowledge. +3 +3 +2 +3 +3 12. Financial rates are more important to our customers than a sense of involvement from our bank. –2 –1 –1 –2 –2 43. The average customer is someone who puts himself in the center, and in general doesn’t like banks very much. He is mainly focused on making profits. As a bank you feel more as an opponent than as a partner. –2 –3 –2 –3 –2 19. Ethics play a role in our business. This means not facilitating customers with activities that cross our boundaries. These boundaries go clearly further than just legal boundaries. We even ethically reprimand customers sometimes. –0 –0 –0 –0 +1 306 Gjalt de Graaf Furthermore, I did not find any bipolar Trust is seen as very important by all the factors. This suggests the presence of consensus bankers. Almost by definition money is about on several issues among the discourses. To anyone trust. When people lend or borrow money, they familiar with the banking business it should come only periodically get to see printed figures on a as no surprise that all the directors stressed in one cheap piece of paper. Therefore, they must trust way or another that banking is a “people that their money is in good hands. Also, in business”. For every discourse, money and finan- Western society money is a very private business. cial rates certainly aren’t the all-dominating A bank must first of all be trusted to respect a themes. Look for example at statement number customer’s privacy. Therefore, a bank can never 36: this is a statement with very high agreement be a pure opponent of a customer. within all discourses, it certainly doesn’t dis- As far as the ethical rules within the three criminate amongst them. largest banks in Holland are concerned, none of To all banks, good service and knowledge the banks go as far as ethically reprimanding about the business are very important. Earlier I customers. Furthermore, environmental sustain- mentioned that every Q-sorter was asked ability is not a big issue. The environmental laws whether he missed an important issue in the are taken very seriously, but there doesn’t seem statements. Even though most of them said no, to be an active policy that goes any further than the issues that were sometimes mentioned were the legal restrictions of the Netherlands. that professionalism and especially knowledge There are also very clear differences between didn’t get enough attention given their impor- the five discourses in the way they conceptualize tance. customers. The five discourses now follow. Discourse A: Together for ourselves A B C D E –2. Financial service is a matter of live and let live (between customers and banks). +2 –0 +1 +2 +1 28. Rates differ with us from client to client. +3 –0 –0 –0 +1 35. Desperate cases require desperate remedies. You should let weak companies know as soon as possible that we want to end the relationship. In the end, that’s also the best for the customer. +2 –0 –0 –0 +1 30. For starters, the threshold to our bank is not the lowest. +2 –2 –0 –0 –0 24. Often we give starting businesses a chance, that otherwise wouldn’t get a chance with other banks. –3 +1 –2 –1 –1 32. We ask ourselves constantly: what can we do for the region, which means more than just our customers and prospects. It means that we initiate things, that we contact people ourselves to see how we can contribute to all kinds of societal developments. –2 +3 +1 0 –1 37. We don’t do too much sponsoring. We just have a certain amount of money for relationship-marketing in general. That means doing everything to bond with our clients and prospects. +1 –3 –3 –1 0 Discourse Theory and Business Ethics 307 For the bankers in discourse A, the relation- Since the relationship with the customer is ship with customers must be mutually benefi- very important, bankers of discourse A have cial. The relationship with the customer is seen some demands of their customers. Not just as one both have to gain from. The customers anyone is accepted. Starters for example have the are very much seen as partners. Once a rela- most trouble getting a loan from bankers of factor tionship is established, the bankers of factor A A. After all, a new business is more risky and want much more out of their customers than just the question is whether you will ever be able to making a profit. There is a strong bonding with make a profit out of it. Accepting starters because the customer. This certainly doesn’t mean that it is good for the region as a whole, is not an the customer is always right. Nothing is done for issue. The region is of no concern to the banks free. Financial service is a matter of live and let in discourse A. This also means that sponsoring live. It is seen as very inefficient to work hard for is not considered important, apart from pro- a customer who doesn’t make you better. The moting their own name. Customers are purely bankers of discourse A are very focused on judged on their own merits. They call this being making both better. They are constantly looking “positively critical”. for win-win situations while working together Once accepted however, customers get a very with the customer against the rest of the world. personal treatment. Bankers of discourse A don’t Consequently, when the relationship is no longer look for automatic solutions. And since every mutually beneficial, these bankers are not the customer is different, the treatment of each most loyal, considering it best to end the rela- customer is different, thus financial rates differ tionship. This is considered to be the most very strongly from customer to customer. ‘honest’ thing to do. Discourse B: Using the bank to improve the region A B C D E 50. A customer is someone with whom you have partly common and partly opposing interests. He is a colleague and a competitor in one. –1 –2 +3 –0 –0 –6. When a customer is in financial difficulty, we are more focused on helping the customer, than on reducing the financial risk of the bank. Even if the risk of losing money increases. –1 +1 +1 –2 –3 22. At our bank, every customer pays the same rate for the same service. –3 –1 –3 –3 –3 32. We ask ourselves constantly: what can we do for the region, which means more than just our customers and prospects. It means that we initiate things, that we contact people ourselves to see how we can contribute to all kinds of societal developments. –2 +3 +1 –0 –1 37. We don’t do too much sponsoring. We just have a certain amount of money for relationship-marketing in general. That means doing everything to bond with our clients and prospects. +1 –3 –3 –1 –0 30. For starters, the threshold to our bank is not the lowest. +2 –2 –0 –0 –0 –4. We have strong ethical boundaries, which means we do not want to do business with just any customer. I am talking about things such as abiding by the law and absolutely never accepting large gifts. +1 +2 –0 +1 +1 308 Gjalt de Graaf The correlation between discourses A and B The financial rates are not the same for is the lowest on any of the factors. The only everyone, but are certainly more flat than at other thing they agree on is that the customer is cer- banks. For customers, negotiating with bankers tainly not seen as a competitor. But for the rest of factor B is the least useful of all the factors. the concept “customer” is completely different. No two customers are the same, but in principle For discourse B the main purpose of the rela- if two customers are the same, they should pay tionship is not just to have a win-win situation. the same rate for the same service. Just as rela- Profit is not their main goal. There are other tionships in life, it is very important for these important issues in the world besides each other bankers that they have “a good feeling” about (more on this later). Money is not so much the their customers. They also want customers to goal, it is more the means to other things. “feel at home” in their bank. The client is more The broader interest of the customer is very like a partner. You can never have the feeling that important, not just the direct interests. Within a customer is your competitor. Loans are given discourse A the interest of the customer is the a little more on intuition than on pure business interest of the bank. In discourse B however, the plans, compared to the other discourses. customer is seen within a broader societal It is considered important to be an active party context. Yet, the direct interests of the customer in society, especially in one’s own region. Bankers are also very much in the foreground for bankers of discourse B do not feel like this because it is in discourse B. This inevitably leads to conflicts. good for business, there is a genuine idealism. Sometimes the broader context demands some- Both the bank and the customers are seen as part thing else from a banker than the direct finan- of the region the bank is located in. Again, this cial interest of a customer (for example how far is very much in contrast with discourse A. A lot do you go with ethically reprimanding a of money is spent on sponsoring, because it helps customer who crosses some ethical boundaries in organizations in the region, not so much the polluting the environment, when he doesn’t cross bank itself. Sponsoring is not just for their own any legal boundaries). This conflict was often clients and prospects. Starters are seen as very mentioned and seems to be one of the defining important to the region, thus they give these daily struggles of bankers in discourse B. businesses many opportunities. When a customer is in trouble, of all the The interests of the customers play a role, but banks, bankers of discourse B are the most pre- when bankers of factor B have to make choices, occupied with helping the client, instead of it’s not that they want to improve the world no reducing their own financial risk. Not that the matter what. It is certainly not the case that they differences in this respect are very big, banks will have very stringent environmental rules for their be banks and all the banks have to keep a customers. When they say that ethics are impor- constant strong eye on their own financial situ- tant, they mean respecting the law and never ation. They will never go so far as structurally accepting a bribe, not in a wider ethical sense: not making a penny out of a customer. They they are not moralists with a clear idea of how certainly do not see themselves as charity insti- to improve the world. They don’t reprimand tutions. There is even less understanding, their customers in pure ethical terms. compared to the other discourses, for a customer who also has a relationship with other banks.

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