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The Association for Diplomatic Studies and Training Foreign Affairs Oral History Project AMBASSADOR ALFRED LEROY ATHERTON, JR. Interviewed by: Dayton Mak Initial interview date: Summer 1990 Copyright 1998 ADST TABLE OF CONTENTS Background Born in Pennsylvania, raised in Pennsylvania and Massachusetts Exeter Academy and Harvard University ROTC, U.S. Army, World War II Entered Foreign Service 1947 Stuttgart, Germany 1947-1950 Vice consul, visa officer Kreis officer program Bonn, Germany 1950-1952 Foreign Relations Division Office of High Commissioner West German Government German reunification issue McCarthy era Damascus, Syria 1953-1956 Political officer Dictator - Adib Shishakli Arab-Israeli problem Local politics Aleppo, Syria 1956-1959 Consul Suez War and evacuation Syria-Turkey tension UAR- Syria – Egypt Union NEA -Iraq-Jordan-Cyprus 1959-1962 Nasser Arab-Israeli problem Cyprus desk Economic Training 1962 University of California at Berkeley Calcutta, India 1962-1965 Economic officer Soviet activity Chinese invasion India-Pakistan warfare NEA 1965-1974 Deputy director Dimona reactor - Israel PLO Arab-Israel "bias" Director, Arab States North Director Arab-Israeli Affairs Arab-Israeli 1967 War Security Council resolution Ball mission to Middle East Gunnar Jarring Mission Sisco-Dobrynin talks Negotiating Arab-Israeli dispute Soviet aid to Egypt - 1970 Rogers' Plan Nasser PLO dispute Anwar Sadat Kissinger-Rogers tension 1973 War Kissinger and Egyptians Kissinger's Moscow visit 1973 Negotiating Egypt-Israeli cease fire Aftermath of 1973 war Arab oil embargo Kissinger negotiations Geneva conference "Shuttle" diplomacy NEA Assistant Secretary 1974-1979 U.S. diplomats murdered Syrian-Israeli negotiations Nixon visit Sinai II - Sadat and Israel Sinai Field Mission President Carter and his team Cairo Conference, December 1977 Jerusalem Conference 1978 President Carter's visit to Middle East Leeds Castle Conference Camp David Camp David II Cairo, Egypt 1979-1983 Ambassador Iran's Shah Strauss's Alexandria Conference Embassy operations Community Services Association Relations with Sadat Egypt's problems U.S. hostages in Iran AWACs in Egypt Camp David loose ends Egypt-Israel relations Sadat's popularity Assassination of Sadat Final Israeli withdrawal from Sinai Israeli invasion of Lebanon Lebanon civil war U.S. military in Egypt Operating as an ambassador 1979-1983 Relations with U.S. government officials Relations with President Relations with diplomatic corps Relations with American community Use of DCM and staff Use of USAID, CIA and military attaches Director General of the Foreign Service 1983 New Foreign Service Act Senior Service Comments on Foreign Service INTERVIEW Q: Ambassador, you've had an outstanding career in the U.S. Foreign Service, having served in a number of posts throughout the Middle East and South Asia, in particular. You were Director General of the Foreign Service, Director of Personnel in the Department of State, Ambassador to Egypt, Ambassador at Large for Middle East negotiations and Assistant Secretary of State for the Near East and South Asia for the years 1974 through 1978. You were appointed a Career Ambassador of the United States in 1981. This, everyone will agree, is a most illustrious career in the Foreign Service. I wonder, first of all, Mr. Ambassador, if you would give us a bit of your family background, where you were raised, where you went to school, what made you decide to go into the Foreign Service, why you chose certain universities that you did? In other words, give us a bit of the background that brought you into the Foreign Service. ATHERTON: Let me talk a little bit about how it all started. As I've reflected on this, it occurs to me that I had a very unlikely background to have brought me eventually into a Foreign Service career. As far as I can recall, there was no real international experience on the part of my family, my father's family, my mother's family. My father's father, my grandfather on his side, ran a hardware store in Worcester, Massachusetts, and he was a cabinet maker--I'm told a very good one. I never met him, he died before I was born. My father's mother was perhaps the stronger person, in various ways the family matriarch and a very strong-willed person. She was determined that her sons would be the first members of the Atherton family to get a college education. And my father, as well as his older brother, went to Worcester Tech and both became engineers. Q: I assume you were living in Worcester? ATHERTON: Well, this was before I was born. I was going back into the generation where my roots were. My mother's family lived in a small town of about, as I recall, two hundred people, up the Allegheny River from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. My mother's father was a self-made businessman, a small town businessman. He mined coal, he cut and sold lumber, and he drove the delivery truck himself. It was not a very big operation. I remember that, because I used to visit my mother's parents when I was very small-take a train from Pittsburgh up the river to a little town called Templeton. But certainly I don't recall any discussion of the world or world events in my very early years at all. My world, until I was 12 or 14 years old, was really a very inward-looking world of a small neighborhood of friends. We lived outside of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, I guess what would today be called the beginning of the suburbs. It was an area that was in transition between rural and being where commuters who lived and worked in the city would live. My father worked for Westinghouse as an engineer in East Pittsburgh, and we lived in a little place called...I guess it was between towns, but the nearest town was a little place called Verona. The school I started out in was basically a rural school. On one side of our house was a farm, and the other side was beginning to get built up, so we were right on the dividing line of rural and suburban. I can't remember exactly what year, but after I had been in this little school for a couple of years, maybe more, maybe it was through elementary school days, my parents decided it was not the kind of education they wanted me to have, so they made arrangements for me to go to school in the town of Wilkinsburg, which is a suburb of Pittsburgh, for the last part of elementary school or the beginning of junior high. That was the system when you had six years of elementary school, three years of junior high, three years of high school. My recollection was that it was somewhere towards the end of elementary school, the beginning of junior high, that they made arrangements for me to be transferred from the school district where we lived, to the school in town. I think they had to pay some small fee to the Town of Wilkinsburg for me to attend that school. And it was a proper city school with larger classes, more structured. So that really was how I spent those pre-teen years. But at the same time, as I recall, while my daytimes were spent going on a rural streetcar into Wilkinsburg, going to school and coming home on the streetcar, my free time was spent visiting one of my very best friends, who lived on a farm on the hill not far from us. I would go up and spend weekends with him, and learn to milk cows and do all the things that farm children do. It was an interesting family. Could I digress a little bit on this, because it's always stayed with me? Q: Yes, please. ATHERTON: His father was a high school principal in Pittsburgh. Q: Not your high school, though? ATHERTON: Not my high school. And I gather he was a very strict, old-fashioned disciplinarian. He certainly was, with his family and with his children. He was also a fundamentalist, Bible-reading Christian. For example, if I spent Sunday with them, we spent it listening to the Bible being read and perhaps playing educational-type games, but certainly nothing more than that. Q: No cards. ATHERTON: There was a game called Authors, remember that? They were on cards, but it was instructional. You had the authors and a bit of their biography and what they'd written. It was good. Q: I haven't thought of that for 40 years, make that 50. ATHERTON: Maybe I hadn't either. But that was the kind of very limited circle of friends, when you live in a place where there are not lots of people. I wasn't part of a large group. I didn't belong to teams, I didn't play team sports. I was pretty much on my own. I had a younger brother, six years younger, so we were not terribly close. There was too big an age difference between us. I remember visiting, as I mentioned earlier, my mother's parents, by taking the train, 50 miles or so I suppose, up the river to this little town. There, again, I was a stranger in the town. They were sort of clannish, and I wasn't part of that gang of young people, so I didn't have many friends there either. As a result, I used to read a lot when I was younger, perhaps more than a lot of people nowadays. But what I can most remember was a very uneventful, even kind of life. Some vague recollections were the worries of my parents during this period. It was the Depression, and there were lots of people at Westinghouse being laid off. My father did not lose his job, but they all had to take a cut in salary. It was a belt-tightening experience for my family, for all of us. And then the world all suddenly changed, very suddenly, in 1935, when I would have been, I think, 14 years old, when my father was transferred from Pittsburgh to the Westinghouse office in Boston, Massachusetts. In a way, it was going home for him. He was a native of Massachusetts, and he had gone to Pittsburgh because that's where he was first offered a position after graduating from Worcester Tech. It was where he had met my mother and they were married, and I was born and then my brother was born. But in 1935, suddenly the whole world changed. To me it was going to a place I had only heard my father talk about. Boston, Massachusetts. I didn't go right away, actually. I was in the middle of a school term. As a result, my parents went ahead. We by then had given up the house and were living in an apartment hotel in Wilkinsburg within waking distance of the junior high. So I just simply stayed on at the hotel, living there with the manager as kind of my guardian. My parents had said keep an eye on him and make sure he gets to bed and does his homework. So I was really kind of on my own. I can't remember honestly how long it was, but it seemed like a long time. Q: Quite an exciting experience. ATHERTON: Well, it was exciting, and in a way it was also kind of lonely, because I didn't really have many friends whom I could spend a lot of time with. When we lived out in what we used to call the country, I had a dog which we had to give away, a traumatic experience. But in any case, we survived it. My brother was living with my grandparents, and there was an elaborate arrangement to get the family all together. My grandparents brought my brother to Pittsburgh, and reservations were made on the Pullman car on the train. And my brother and I, I in charge, traveled alone on a sleeper from Pittsburgh to Boston overnight. I can't remember how many hours it was, but it seemed like a long, long trip. And we were met by my parents. My father worked for a year in the Westinghouse office in Boston. We settled down in a suburb of Boston called Needham, Massachusetts, which then was more separated from Boston than it is today. And that's where I basically finished that last year of junior high school. It turned out that we were only in Needham for about a year. My father was then transferred again to become one of the deputies, I think, to the works manager of the Westinghouse plant in East Springfield, Massachusetts. So we moved from Needham after about a year. Again, in the middle of the school year. All of our moves seemed to take place in the middle of the school year, disrupting friendships, and always the classes were out of kilter. But I do recall leaving in the middle of the first year of high school. So I finished a year, and I went for a summer and into the first year of high school in Needham, and then suddenly picked up and into the middle of my first year of high school in Springfield. Actually we lived in Longmeadow, a suburb. Longmeadow today has its own high school, but in those days it didn't. It had only a junior high. Once you became of high school age, you went to one of the four high schools in Springfield. Springfield had then what I think was known as the Springfield system. It was a track system. There was Classical High, which is where those who were expected to go on to university, liberal arts, college prep, went. Then there was Technical High, which was in a way also college prep, but for those who were more scientifically inclined and were probably going to go to one of the technical colleges. Commerce High was clearly indicated if you were going to be clerks and typists. And then there was Trade High, which was of course a trade school, where you would go to learn a trade. How it was decided which one of these schools you went to, I never really understood. Q: You couldn't choose? ATHERTON: Well, I think you had a choice, but also you had to be accepted, as well as have a choice. There were certain academic minimums. It was always assumed, the question never arose whether I would go anywhere except Classical High. So I went in the middle of my first year. I graduated from there in 1939, so this was the end of the fall term of 1936. I had almost a full three years in Classical High. It was a remarkable school. In some ways it had a faculty as good as many colleges. It had, for example, a math teacher (and I was not good in math, but I did take some of the high school math courses) who every week would disappear for a day and go down and teach an advanced math course at Columbia University. We were all told that for many years they had tried to get him to become a professor of mathematics at Columbia, but he liked living in this smaller town, and he liked teaching high school mathematics. My forte was in the humanities, English, and I took German from a teacher who was a native German-speaker. Then you hear a proper accent from the beginning. I went onto the high school paper, and by the time I graduated I was the editor of the high school Recorder, I think it was called. I forget how often it came out, it was probably monthly. But anyway, I had begun to get some sense by then that maybe there was a world beyond whatever town or school I happened to be in. Q: At that time did you find that you were pretty good at writing, say, if you were in journalism there? ATHERTON: I did like to write. I can remember usually doing pretty well in essays or book reviews. I was in the advanced English class, because I had pretty well covered the ground that was in the standard English class. It was a special class for seniors who were up to it. It was really like taking a freshman college class in that respect. Heavy, heavy reading. An honors course. So I did this. I was editor, but I also did a lot of writing, editorials, and got into other extracurricular activities. I was a great joiner--German club and the school paper among others. Q: Were you good at German? ATHERTON: Academically. I couldn't speak it. You know they never taught us to speak languages. The emphasis was on learning grammar and memorizing vocabulary, on being able to read it, being able to conjugate verbs and decline nouns, learn all the rules, but in a mechanical way. So I had a good foundation in the instruction of German, but I never really thought about speaking it. You sang songs. I never thought of it as a language I would ever use as a spoken language. It clearly was a school and an environment in which one's horizons could be broadened. And of course on top of that, one couldn't help but be aware, if you just read the newspapers, that there was a war in Europe, even then. But I became acutely aware of that because of two things. First of all, I met my international cousins. My father's older brother, who was also an engineer, had in fact taken a position as an overseas representative of General Electric Company. He was living in Switzerland. I should add, by the way, that my father never traveled outside the United States in all of his life. He never left the country, except perhaps to visit Canada. And my mother never left until after I joined the Foreign Service, when she visited us. After my father died, she came to live with us. But she had never before been out of the States. As far as I know, my mother's father and mother spent their whole lives in a little corner of Pennsylvania. Not always in the same town, but in the same general area, Western Pennsylvania, north of Pittsburgh, in places in transition themselves from farms to small towns. But I did meet the children of my father's older brother, Carl. Uncle Carl had a daughter and a son who were a little older than I, but not much, and they had been brought up in Europe. To me a very romantic thing. They talked to each other in French. Q: There is sophistication. ATHERTON: They were very sophisticated. They had gone to private schools in Switzerland and France, traveled all over Europe, and were back now because my uncle saw the clouds of war coming and decided to move his family back to the States. And so he brought them back and into private schools. He obviously had a lot more money on his side of the family than we had on ours. And my cousin, Betsy, who was the older of the two, went to a very, very posh, private school in Pittsfield, Massachusetts, called Miss Halls. Miss Halls still exists. I learned just this last year when I was up there for a Tanglewood concert that their dormitories are available during the summer for the young people to come and play in the Tanglewood orchestra. A place to study and to play . David, the younger of the two, was sent to a private school in New Hampshire. But, anyway, there was that sort of an opening up, listening to them talk. They talked about very different things. Betsy had spent some time visiting, traveling in Spain. And of course it was the time of the Spanish Civil War. The war pictures in the newsreels in the theaters, and the terrible destruction, the scenes in Spain. I remember going to the movies, and seeing how upset she was. To her it was very traumatic. Well, the next thing to which I trace the awakening of my interest in the world outside was probably in the summer of 1938 when my parents, who clearly made a lot of decisions, thought it would be a very broadening thing if I went on a hostel/bicycle trip to Europe. We were members of a church in Longmeadow which had a youth group. My father hardly ever went to church, but he and my mother encouraged me to have some church affiliation, and most of it was this youth group. The youth group leader organized the trip under the auspices of the American Youth Hostel Movement to go to Europe in the summer of 1938. Q: Just in time. ATHERTON: Just in time. So off we went. I can't remember how many, there must have been a dozen of us, most about my age. This was between my junior and senior year, so I was almost 17 years old; I was 16 in the summer. Most of the others were my contemporaries. There were a few somewhat older. We went in steerage class, an inside stuffy stateroom on the S.S. Staatendam. But as far as I was concerned it was first class. Off we went. Sailed to Europe and spent the summer bicycling from Rotterdam, where we docked. We picked up bicycles. We didn't take bicycles with us, they were pre-ordered. And the bicycles, German bicycles, actually had three speeds, which was unusual in those days, a three-speed bicycle, not too heavy. We had that and sleeping bags and knapsacks. Our itinerary took us from youth hostel to youth hostel, where we stayed for the equivalent of 25-cents-a-night, as I recall. Very inexpensive trip. I think the whole summer vacation, counting the round-trip steerage class on the Staatendam and all of our other expenses, couldn't have been more than maybe $300. That seemed like a lot of money in those days. So we went off as a group, and we toured the Low Countries, and then we crossed into Germany and did the Rhine, down into Switzerland. In Switzerland, I visited my Uncle Carl, whom I had never met before. This was my father's older brother. He had sent the children back to school in the States. By then he was divorced from his wife and living with a very attractive and much younger Hungarian woman. It was the first time I had ever been aware of a couple living together that weren't married, but it seemed a perfectly normal thing for them. They did eventually marry and came to the States when the war broke out. I broke away from the hostel group, got permission from my leader, and spent a little time visiting them in their very fancy apartment on the shore of Lake Geneva. It was an apartment of a size and of a style that I had never seen in my life before. Old Victorian sort of place. Anyway, that was great, but I had to get on a train, catch up, and rejoin the group finally in Paris. In Paris, I had the first champagne in my life. And then headed for North Germany, crossed over into Denmark and then to Norway. And we were going to tour the fiords, and then a very quick tour of Norway, across the Channel to England, and to be at Southampton by a certain date when we were to get back on the Staatendam. Three of us decided we really wanted to see more of England. We didn't care that much about biking up and down all the hills, even with three speeds. So we got permission from our leader, and he gave us our share of the money to get us through the trip, and gave us our passports, and we were off. We took a little cross-Channel steamer called the Blenheim, as I recall, which ran from, must have been Oslo to Newcastle. It was one of those typically rough Channel crossings. I had been a pretty good sailor, but I remember being deathly seasick. Having eaten a great jar of Norwegian goat cheese didn't help. We got to Newcastle, the three of us, and discovered that we had neglected one thing. We were not just transiting, we were coming to spend a couple of weeks in England, and we didn't have visas. So we got a rough lecture from the British immigration inspector, and then he looked at us and let us in after the lecture about how we shouldn't come to England without visas. And we literally spent what must have been ten days or two weeks going through Scotland, all the way down through the lake country, down to London, London to Southampton. By that time we had spent our money. We were down to something like the equivalent of a dollar a day for a week before it was time to get on the ship again. So we gave up staying at youth hostels and began staying in the country. We'd go to farms and say: "Can you put us up? We'll do some chores for you." They were wonderfully hospitable. We never had anyone turn us away, and they usually gave us a meal. And we eventually ended up in Southampton and met the group and got on the ship and came home. A whole new world. The impressions of that trip were with me for years, and particularly the impressions of Germany. The impressions of being in youth hostels with very tough, hard, disciplined youths of the Hitler Jugend. Q: That impressed you. ATHERTON: What impressed me was, I guess, these youths were convinced Nazis. They wanted to lecture us on what a great thing Hitler was doing for Germany and for Europe, and how they were going to bring this new civilization to all the countries of Europe. One of our members was Jewish, one woman in our group, and when this occasionally would come out, this was potentially always an awkward situation, because, of course, they were strongly anti-Semitic, anti-Jewish. This was long after Kristallnacht. Restaurants would have the big juden verboten signs. It was frightening what we saw happening in Germany. I didn't totally take it aboard. My recollection was that a very frightening thing happened, but I didn't understand what it was or why. But it was there, and it became clear afterwards. I did go back and finish the last year of high school. Then another thing happened to me. I had a very good academic record, but my parents decided that I really wasn't quite mature enough to go away to college. They thought I needed a little maturing time, and so they decided I should go for a year to a private prep school between high school and college.

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